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WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 03, 2008 21:05: CK, all you seem to be able to do is personally attack anyone who doesn't think the same as you. I don't remember having a go at you so please can you not throw abuse at me as I am entitled to my view like everyone else! I just think they are more important things in the world than a bit of inconvenience once in a while. We seem to convienently forget ALL the times the Mountain is closed out of TT and MGP fortnight, which seems to be a regular occurance. Or the road being shut for 6 weeks for the new roundabout to be built, or Saddleback road when it was closed for weeks for the new road layout to be done or ALL the other road closures caused by road works/serious accidents etc etc, we seem to get throughout the year that cause traffic chaos. Or the fact that it takes nearly 30 to 35 minutes just to get from Chesterfield Carpark to the traffic lights near the Shell Garage very night at 5pm because of the volumn of traffic. But as soon as it's closed because of the racing, well that's a different matter. A small handful of people just can't resist moaning of how inconvienient it is. Bet they wouldn't moan if the road closures were connected to football! And finally, I totally agree with Homme Des Vallees, what a dispicable attitude some of us have to people who choose to visit our island whether they be tourists or racers. Luckily the people the Uk and Ireland and all the other places visitors to our island come from don't treat us with the same DISRESPECT that some of us show them. And finally, I don't give a stuff what people think to me saying this but I totally agree when people say 'if you don't like it, go somewhere else to live!' because that is my answer too.

P HARTLEY

TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 02, 2008 16:12: Well, what a hospitable place to visitors the Island has become! The ramblings of most of those who have contributed to this thread make me ashamed to live here. Yes I know there is a boat in the morning, but such a response would be typical of your writers gauging their responses on this matter! Where has the ethos of "traa dy-liooar" gone? Taking the road closures for races for the TT and MGP on working days, that is discounting the bank holidays and Saturday, then it amounts to 4 days, 2 in each festival. That's obviously far too much for some people to tolerate with a bit of patience and pride in the Island. Have any of those close to Douglas/Onchan ever considered walking when there are traffic problems? I live right on the course and when the roads are shut I am either shut out of home or shut in. It's something I put up with without complaint because I find something else to do and it's great to see the island buzzing with activity. I am sure your writers have greatly enhanced the the reputation of the Isle of Man as a tourist destination for those from outside the Island reading all this. Come to the Isle of Man, the unfriendly Island, where self-interest and inconsideration abound.

HOMME DES VALLEES

TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 02, 2008, 15:03: I think most of the arguments are based on whether you actually like the racing or not. I mean, if the Isle of Man hosted an annual over 75 mobile knitting race (although on 2nd thoughts, that actually sounds quite good!), that forced the roads to close at peak times and inconvenience thousands, I doubt half the pro race/closure types on this thread would be speaking up for it. Fair enough for TT I say, but for the MGP and the benefit of what seems so few whilst affecting so many, it's unacceptable.

FURIOUS D

TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 02, 2008 13:13: HI All, Everyone seems to have very valid points from each side. Yet another example of free speech and I am all for it. I think that everyone may agree that there was a problem on the Wednesday night but I don't think that one race day out of the three can really be a good enough reason to ban the Manx GP all together. This thread seems to have opened up to include Road works, bus time tables and also access to the hospital. I think the latter is a very good reason to look at another alternative access route from the north. But where are you going to put it? Any suggestions? You could put a tunnel in to Governors Hill or maybe use the bridge at Ballaugh Bridge to the Druidale road to have access but am not sure how feasible any of these solutions maybe. All in all I think it was so bad this year due to an accumulation of events, not just one thing but many, for example the accident on the prom, that have all contributed to the downfall of the mass exodus of Douglas every day. I think it might be a little unfair to just point the finger at the Manx Grand Prix committee, who must have been thinking what have they done to deserve all the bad luck with the weather, yes they may have made a bad decision to close the roads at that time on Wednesday, but I am sure it wasn't with the intent to destroy everyone's trip home after work. I can understand all of people's calls for something to be done and maybe there can, but to just stop the Manx is maybe not the answer. Maybe it is time to look at the infrastructure in and around the course, but there has to be complete cooperation from all Government departments and organisers and I think this might stall efforts for a quick and agreeable solution. If you start the ball rolling by calling for the Manx to stop, and due to the number of people supporting it here on this thread then there are obviously people who enjoy watching, taking part and Marshalling for the Manx GP. I have a particular loathing for horses being on the roads and the number of cyclists going out in large packs blocking roads not caring for other road users, not having insurance if they cause an accident or damage, but I am not calling for all of those events that they obviously enjoy all year round to be stopped just because it peeves me off every now and again. So please everyone, I know it was bad this year, but take a deep breath and a little step back, CK or whatever you call yourself can you do yours at the edge of a cliff, only kidding, and if it happens again next year then ok lets have a closer look, but sweeping statements asking for it all to be banned is a little over the top. To the person visiting someone at hospital, I hope they get better soon.

DAVE

TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 02, 2008 11:22: Dear ANON....I disagree with almost everything you have said and we are obviously poles apart. It is however most refreshing that you have made your points in a witty and friendly manner. Perhaps others could follow your lead. One thing I do agree with however is that I am a nice guy really...at least my wife thinks so!

GEOFF, Douglas

TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 02, 2008 00:00: I live in Andreas and had to travel to Nobles Hospital in Grand Prix Week, as a relative had been admitted in an emergency. It took me hours to get to the hospital, under a great deal of stress as it was, without the extra pressure of taking a normal 40 minute journey, lasting well over 2 1/2 hours. It was a great asset to the Island when this hospital was completed but last week, I really did wish it had been built somewhere else on the Island. I am sure there must be many people on the Island who have found it frustrating trying to visit the hospital, either for visits or treatment, during race weeks. The cottage next door to us is for sale if Bruce Hannay would like to move to Andreas, I doubt he would last 2 years there, from his comfort zone of Douglas.

ANON

MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 01, 2008 14:54: Much like every other string, we resort to insults and abuse to get our points accross. Perhaps I have missed something, but why doesn't the DOT invest in the access road to make it 2 way traffic for the whole length, and/or investigate the benefits of adding additional crossing points throughout the course. If an additional access road is added, then they could even make each one way? Although I sense that the immediate reply will be "investing the money for 4 weeks of the year would be outragious" - my reply would be that it would help the Island host the racing and keep the disruption to a minimum. The work could be done over the 48 weeks of the year that the road is out of use, and on completion, the access road/s could be used when other road works are being undertaken where it would be suitable to divert the traffic on these roads? From my understanding the races are "Hated" by the residents who are affected by the road closures - reduce the disruption, and less people will have reasons to hate it.

DOD

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MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 01, 2008 14:42: Darryl, I agree that rush hour and gridlock happens regularly on the mainland but this can be accommodated due to many other roads and ways of getting to your destination and because it happens so regularly people are prepared for the rush hour gridlock on a daily basis. My point is that Wednesday nights stand still was a ruddy nightmare and caused a massive inconvenience to a lot of people island wide. I also appreciate that it only happens twice a year regarding the racing but there was no such gridlock during the TT and the MGP is a smaller event and should have had the correct contingency plans in place should this delay in racing arrive which it duly did. great what a success roads were closed to allow racing but the idiots who did not have a brain cell to rub together between them probably didn't realise the mess they were going to put the general public in. it is the general public who pay these decision makers wages and not the bike fans that come over for a couple of weeks a year. If it carries on like this then people will get upset and inconvenienced on a regular basis which will result in people leaving the island. As for your remark regarding coffin dodgers, isn't that slightly ageist? (that means your discriminating against older people). I for one was massively inconvenienced during Wednesdays malarkey and I am only 24 years old. I think the issue needs to be addressed so this does not happen in future years. As for your remark regarding rush hours in the UK, I don't give a hoot really as I live in the IOM. I am concerned about what happens here and not on the motorways in the UK. Regards

GAD!

MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 01, 2008 13:52: Am I the only person reading this and wondering which article the Pro-TT lobby were reading? This was about the MGP "organisers" decision to close the roads at 5pm, causing complete chaos on the roads across the Island. All people are asking for is some common sense and that, in future, if the option arises of closing the roads at 5pm and causing huge traffic jams, or waiting an hour the Organisers show some consideration and chose the latter option. Do any of the Pro-TT lobby genuinely believe it was correct for the organisers to close the roads at 5pm rather than wait until 6pm? If so, I would be truly interested to hear why. Just as an addendum, I would love to use public transport and did so until last year. However, the commuter bus from KM started arriving later and later until I could no longer justify turning up to work at 09:10 every day. I wrote to the IOM Busses but was told the KM commuter bus could not be scheduled any earlier and that I should get an earlier bus. This would mean me leaving KM at 07:30 and travelling via Peel. I love public transport but a commuter service that refuses to service commuters is a joke! The moment this changes I will be back on the bus. However, I would still be stuck in traffic with everyone else if they close the roads at 5pm.

JB from KM

MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 01, 2008 13:24: This is very entertaining. And all too addictive.

I'd like to ask Evil Golblin (AKA CK of Ramsey) what evidence he/she/it has that "there are actually a majority of us (Manxies and others) who simply do not see things the way you and your lot do"? Have you seen a referendum that the rest of us haven't?

P Hartley hit the nail on the head - the roads are so much less congested during rush hour during TT/MGP week when the schools are off. It's very refreshing.

And finally, GEOFF....oh dear oh dear....you don't like the bikes - fair enough.... Me? I don't like dogs. I really really dislike them. And yet I have to put up with their existence. Why should I? With their barking and fouling pavements, beaches and footpaths. Oh it makes me mad......they don't serve any useful purpose whatsoever. Something must be done! And, I'm sorry that your wife can't leave work early. I'm sure most employers are pretty flexible. Perhaps she could have a word for next year? Plenty of time to forewarn them. And your home isn't served by public transport? One to think about when choosing your next house. Actually, no...you're right - let's scrap the TT & the MGP, S100, oh, and all the rallies and Classic Cars events of course...and Cycling, and the Parish Walk - that's particularly annoying. In fact let's go the whole hog and get rid of everything on the island that could possible adversely affect the daily "commute". Come on Geoff, I'm sure you're a nice guy really. Live and let live eh?

ANON

MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 01, 2008 13:07: TT circuit gets raced on twice a year, get use to it! During this years MGP there was a two hour gridlock… if you live in the UK rush hour is like that every day. Find something else to moan about as this is getting old.

DARRYL

MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 01, 2008 13:03: Unfortunately, for a few weeks every year we are subject to road closures for what are in my opinion the greatest events in the racing calendar, these events are also subject to the effects of the weather and everyone on the Island makes concessions for the races to go ahead. A decision was made on Friday afternoon to cancel the scheduled race and was later changed to the race being run again. At the same time it was thick fog on the mountain and right across Douglas. We had to set off early for an appointment at 19.30 in Douglas. Do the weather forcasters and organisers appreciate how many people would have been caught out and goodness knows how many people changed their arrangements because of the road closure had being cancelled. It was only by chance that I checked the website again to check on Saturdays schedule that I was aware that the race was back on. Most of us love to see the racing on the Island me included, but most people who live and work on the island would appreciate a little more consideration, especially at rush hour or naturally busy times. The weather forecaster who said that they could change the decision to race in my opinion ought to be looking for another vocation, either that or next time open the window and look out like the rest of us did.

MICHAEL HARRISON

MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 01, 2008 10:03: Good idea Peejay to car share,BUT there is one big problem with this idea,Insurance,as you know in this modern world of COMPO it glares at us,if you share with your next door neighbour,or somebody in your road,they might be friendly about it at the time,that is until somebody has a accident,then all friendship goes out the window,example if you ride in a taxi you are covered up to 1million,that's why the insurance cost to insure a taxi is heavy,but in a private car there could be problems,ask your insurance company they will enlighten you on the facts.

EORH

MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 01, 2008 08:51: Thank god it's all over for another year! Shame we have to have it next year!

EDDIE

MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 01, 2008 01:46: You would not expect any sympathy from Bruce Hannay, regarding traffic congestion and Road Closures, as he lives in Douglas and did not spend 2 1/2 hours travelling from Douglas to Ramsey on Friday evening. All his staff at the Department of Transport, are on Flexi leave, unlike the majority of the population on the Island, who are lucky if they can even leave 15 minutes early to avoid closures.

BARBARA

If Bruce Hannay ever moves to the other end of the Island, then there may be more consideration made to the congestion caused by some of these closures, particularly when the Mountain Road gets closed due to heavy rain, never mind 10mm of snow in the Winter.SUNDAY, AUGUST 31, 2008 21:09: Misrepresenting the arguments of your opponents is a sign not only that you're losing but also that you know deep inside that you are losing. I do not intend to get into a personal debate with PEEJAY but only wish that he actually reads other peoples posts before commenting. It was he who said, "did you not consider public transport. If you and all the other moaning minnies did that there would be a dramatic decrease in congestion. Had they done this, then this being the IOM however would give them no reason to moan.!" I merely asked him to further his argument. The debate is quite simple really. Is it right that road closures should carry on regardless of the affect on the public who have no interest whatsover in motor cycle racing? And finally to PEEJAY. Please don't assume that GEOFF, FUMING and CK are one and the same person. After all you could make an ASS out of U and ME.

GEOFF, Douglas

SUNDAY, AUGUST 31, 2008 19:49: P Hartley – your most recent posting is as silly and unthinking as A Proud Manx Women and Marshal's. Rather like telling a child to "eat up their greens because there are children in Africa who would be glad of them". What on earth has a hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico or someone being stabbed in England got to do with Road Closures on the Isle of Man? Must we put up with anything because we are fortunate enough to live on an Island that hasn't got an active volcano on it?

EVIL GOBLIN, Ramsey

SUNDAY, AUGUST 31, 2008 19:42: Sorry that, once again, PeeJay, you are wrong, as any review of respective literary styles would have told someone more perceptive. I am certainly not Geoff or Fuming. You seem unable to accept that there are actually a majority of us (Manxies and others) who simply do not see things the way you and your lot do. As for "a Very Proud Manx Women and Marshal", the final comment "that Manx people "have to put up with it" is truly asinine. That sort of view is merely advocating that injustices and wrongs are not to be changed!

EVIL GOBLIN, (aka CK) Ramsey

SUNDAY, AUGUST 31, 2008 18:48: After I posted a reply eariler I sat and watched the evening news. Yet another young life has been snubbed out after being stabbed and a girl is fighting for her life and America's New Orleans is to be hit by another devastating hurricane which could destroy the whole town and leave people homeless or even dead. And I couldn't help but think what the hell are we all moaning about over here - that our lives are inconvenienced for a few weeks of the year? Maybe we should put everything into perspective. I think I would much rather put up with a little disruption for a few weeks every year than have to bury my kids or lose my home to something I have no control over. There are worse things happening in the world than a few road closures.

P HARTLEY

SUNDAY, AUGUST 31, 2008 16:08: It seems to me that the only time the roads are not congested are during TT and MGP because the roads are not clogged up by people taking their kids to school. I also make plans for TT and MGP fortnights by starting work eariler during practice weeks 8.30 instead of 9.00 so I can get home before the roads close at 6pm and during race week I plan to do things in town should the roads not open at 5pm or book some time off. I don't see why people have a problem unless they are just not

willing to compromise.

P HARTLEY

SUNDAY, AUGUST 31, 2008 14:39: Why do a small handful of people think the world should revolve around them! I don't remember the races running late during TT race week and have only run late ONE DAY during MGP race week. And it does say there could be delays due to weather etc relsulting the the roads being closed for longer, in the Road Closures literature, which I can only assume these people fail, or deliberately do not read (so they have an excuse to moan). So for all the whingers who are complaining about ONE

evening of inconvienence, which lets face it was only two hours anyway, here are the dates for the next two years! 2009 TT dates Saturday 30th May - Friday 12th June 2009 MGP dates Saturday 22nd August – Friday 4th September Provisional 2010 TT dates Saturday 29th May - Friday 11th June Provisional 2010 MGP dates 2010 - 21st August - 3rd September Now maybe you can plan for any forthcoming delays as you have at least 8 months till the next TT! I would hate to think what these people would do if they lived somewhere where they would have to sit

in traffic jams every day of the week just to get home!!!!!!!!!!

KEN W

SUNDAY, AUGUST 31, 2008 13:25: I have one word for the organisers of the event and to whoever decided to close the roads and that's is IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!! How god dam stupid is it to close the roads during rush hour for commuters after 5pm. More sense required please, absolute scandalous it was. It personally took me 1 hour to get from finch road to the NSC. Get a grip and use the common sense that seems to be lacking in ur small feeble brains and sort the planning out. U shud have contingency plans in place for these kind of delays in future and not just postponing the racing until later in the day that will cause havoc among residents in the island trying to get home. GET A GRIP and next year get it sorted. It is things like this that make residents sick of the MGP and what it brings to the Island. Regards

GAD

SUNDAY, AUGUST 31, 2008 12:58: Geoff or Fuming or CK whatever you go under these days, my comments were not insulting but stating the obvious. The complainants are sad with little else to do with their time but moan, about anything and everything. I do not remember suggesting all 10,000 people coming into Douglas use public transport. (do you have nothing better to do with your time than to count incoming workers). On my way home there were numerous cars driving from one end of the promenade to the other. They could have walked. On the other hand the other option would have been to cycle (if they had bikes) my wife did to avoid said congestion. Then again there is the car sharing option. How many vehicles had only one person in. For some strange reason we seem to shy away from this car sharing idea. Maybe the Government could give favourable tax incentives to those who share.

PEEJAY

SATURDAY, AUGUST 30, 2008 23:17: Thank you very happy to have moved here business man ,at last somebody who appreciates the island for what it is and knows how lucky he is to live here, the whingers can always return your not prisoners here ,you chose to live here , as for any fellow whinging Manxies you of all people should know by now be prepared for delays etc, you may not like the bikes, but your born with it. I dont like the rally all over country roads at different times, but, i just keep clear and accept it. It does,nt matter what time of year it is if you try to leave Douglas after 5pm it takes longer than any other time of day, so TT & MGP accept it will take longer ask your employer if you can leave early. A lot of manx people don,t like the bikes but they have know they have to put up with it.

A VERY PROUD MANX WOMEN AND MARSHAL

SATURDAY, AUGUST 30, 2008 20:16: Totally agree with ANON's comments. If these people can't handle a handful a days each year where the traffic is nuts then maybe they should take the day off and stay at home. Just goes to show how much the car has taken over the island. Fare enough to the people who travel into Douglas from around the island, but come on, if you live within walking distance, give it a try you might like it.

AS

SATURDAY< AUGUST 30, 2008 19:02: well lets face it the racing is part of our heritage, long may it be. road closures are a fact of life in the isle of man, if we want the revenue that the races bring to our island, then stop moaning and why not help, you could become a marshal. then you would be doing your bit.

JD, Douglas

SATURDAY, AUGUST 30, 2008 15:15: Well, what a bunch of killjoys we have living here in the Isle of Man. If it wasn't for TT and MGP, there probably wouldn't be any tourism on the island. Ok, so we all know that the traffic systems here suck, but it's for 4 weeks a year. It took me over 1hr and 20 mins to get home on Wednesday night and it annoyed me, but how often does that happen over here. I can live with the odd traffic delay, so why can't everyone else!The MGP organisers have made a real mess of organising this event this year, but learn from it, move on, and make sure we are properly organised for 2009. Easy as that!! It really isn't a big deal!!!!! Residents really need to stop whinging and realise how lucky we are to live on such a beautiful island!! And I bet its those who charge visitors ridiculous prices to stay here in TT week!!!

ANON

SATURDAY, AUGUST 30, 2008 12:35: The comments from Bruce Hannay are typical of the attitude of the Department of Transport, which seems to consider roundabouts to be the answer to everything. The chaos was "unavoidable"? What did they think was going to happen if they closed the roads at rush hour? It could all have been avoided very easily by delaying the second race and opening the roads for an hour to relieve the traffic congestion. It's not exactly rocket science, is it? It's called planning, and it's about time the Department employed someone who is capable of thinking ahead instead of sitting there complacently telling us there's nothing they can do about it. The complete shambles they made on Wednesday night does no-one any favours. In the long run it's bad for motor sport on the Island. It ruined the entire evening for a large number of people struggling to get home. Once again I have to ask what do the idiots in charge think is going to happen as a result? As some of the comments here show, lots of people who normally aren't that bothered one way or the other start calling for the MGP to be abandoned. If enough of them are sufficiently annoyed then they will start putting pressure on our MHKs (don't forget, we're talking mainly about the finance sector here, who are perfectly willing and able to use financial leverage on the Government if it suits them) and we will end up losing the MGP - and you can bet your life the TT will be next.

PETE

SATURDAY, AUGUST 30, 2008 11:55: I see that I am not the only driver who was disappointed with the lack of police activity to ease Wednesday's 'MGP gridlock'. After spending

well over 2 hours getting from Tromode to the Prom and then out to the

Old Castletown Road I was surprised, around 6 o'clock, to see one of

our few motorcycle police officers (probably the only type of police

unit that could have got to the pinchpoints of the Douglas gridlock)

using a laser gun to enforce a 30mph limit on a quiet country road in

Santon! He was the first officer I had seen since starting my 'journey'.

Law enforcement obviously comes first for our officers but I don't

think it is unreasonable to expect a shift in priorities when there is

traffic gridlock on a scale that restricts, for example, the movement

of ambulances.

PD

SATURDAY, AUGUST 30, 2008 11:20: It seems that emotions are running high on this one- and I can fully understand that. I posted a reply earlier, and did make reference to the negative comments from some of the contributors towards the racers. GEOFF from Douglas has replied to me that he can read no comments here that show a hatred of the racers. Please refer to the comments made by NC, Manx Islander, ANON, EDDIE and SB to see why I felt this way. I appreciate that most do not feel this way however, thank goodness. Oh and to NC- not all racers are "geriatric" there are newcomers as well, and at 20, my Son would like to think he is not yet classed as past it! Hope it gets sorted out, and good luck.

CAROLE LINSDELL

SATURDAY, AUGUST 30, 2008 09:59: The first thing to remember in all this argument about gridlock,can't get home on time,ban the races etc, is that these races were always called the September Races ?,Manx Grand Prix was always held in September,what is it doing in August ?,the races were always the June Races ( TT] and the September Races ( MGP]. Now the next point is MGP was always held on Tuesday and Thursday,just two race days,What is all this extension to Monday,Wednesday,and Friday, maybe this is part of the disruption,three race days instead of two. Now how to solve it,well DOT doesn't know how to do it from the waffle I heard on the radio,their waiting for some brain to do the work for them, look at the mess of the Tesco roundabout,making Railway Hill and North Quay one way,traffic lights all over the place,trying to force traffic from the South onto South Quay into Douglas,one-way streets,and the parking on the streets,all the finance houses in one place,PLUS what most people have forgot the vast increase in cars on the roads,they were never meant for this volume,and they all come into Douglas. The buses wouldn't be able to handle all the extra people if they left their cars at home,so what is the answer ?. I have a few ideas and it won't cost millions like it has been mooted,but as I don't get paid as well as the DOT leaders let them carry on making the travel a nightmare for the public.

EORH

SATURDAY, AUGUST 30, 2008 09:59: Picking up on Director of Highway's Bruce Hannay's point, I think that either millions of s should be spent on bringing the Manx GP and TT events up to scratch including the infrastructure needed, or they should be abandoned. If the races bring revenue to the Island then this should be used for the upgrades. As it is these events look downmarket and as though they are being done on the cheap – they certainly don't give the impression of the 'brand' that I believe the IoM Government aspires to for the Island. The effect that road closures have on traffic flows are entirely predictable and so there is no excuse for the problems that occur each year.

KEN, Onchan

SATURDAY, AUGUST 30, 2008 09:15: A number of people in this thread have suggested using public transport as a way of organising our sad little moaning lives. I don't know the exact number of people who commute into Douglas each day but if we say 10,000 it probably won't be far off. A double decker bus seats around 70 people, a steam train about 150 and an MER tram say 100. So PEEJAY, please further your argument about using public transport. Comparing traffic congestion with the UK is pointless and doesn't alter the fact that what took place this week showed a total disregard for the population of the Island. And finally to PEEJAY - just because some of us do not care for motor cycle racing it does not give those who do, the right to be insulting, and vice versa.

GEOFF, Douglas

SATURDAY, AUGUST 30, 2008 08:29: We moved to the island just before this year's TT's, and live just round the corner from the course. I really so not see what the moaning yy locals are on about. Try using some common sense or walking, we all know the weather changes. You should try living in the SE of the UK, we had this sort of traffic problems on an almost daily basis. Being able to use a car again is great, and apart from the odd soccer mom, everyone is so polite on the roads, its like to good old days. We think the island is great, and the bikes just add to the local character. Sometimes the locals just need to get off the island more to realize what a great place this is.

VERY HAPPY WE MOVED HERE BUSINESSMAN

SATURDAY, AUGUST 30, 2008 04:27: why would the Government reduce road tax just because "fuming" can't get home. Our road tax is already a lot less than our UK counterparts. Why not as previously suggested - did you not consider public transport. If you and all the other moaning minnies did that there would be a dramatic decrease in congestion. Had they done this, then this being the IOM however would give them no reason to moan. Sad that the few cannot organise their sad little moaning lives around four weeks in a year

PEEJAY

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 21:40: For goodness sake, what a kerfuffle! "After all we are the bread and butter to the Isle of Man..." ...and no-one outside the finance industry should step in our way? I have the unfortunate duty to go to the UK regularly for meetings. On such occasions, I will often sit in the car park that is the M6 between 8am and 9:30am and then do the same around 5 o'clock too. It's no better as you travel through Lancaster to return to the ferry. Most of the people I know have an hour or more each way, sitting in traffic jams or crushed on trains, rarely getting a seat, as they scramble along in the daily grind. Have those who are complaining forgotten what it was like? Ten or more hours per week just to get in and out of work? The TT & MGP are actually known in advance and the road closure orders are pretty well advertised. If people didn't bother to read them, then that's their problem. The staff who I manage have had a reasonable degree of flexible working (I was in the office last Sunday, then took Wednesday off, one of my team leaders worked from home). This week has been extremely difficult for everyone involved, including people who were inconvenienced as well as those who watch or take part in the races, but in context, much of it was avoidable and where it wasn't avoidable, it is still an unusual event, dictated by the one thing we can't control... the weather. Regards,

KEITH

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 21:05: Aren't you the fortunate one JUAN who can finish work at 4.15pm? Unfortunately my wife is not so fortunate and due to the lack of a public transport route where we live has an 8 mile round trip to get to and from work. I am sure many hundreds of other people are in a similar position. And please tell me how the thousands of people who drive in from Ramsey, Castletown and Peel each day could get to work. Your comments about intelligence and being able to dress themselves is at best insulting. And to Mrs LINSDELL, I have not read any name calling, personal insults or remarks in this thread that could possibly be described as showing hatred towards the Racers. Most people have commented on their dislike of the event and its organisation, not the people taking part in it.

GEOFF, Douglas

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 20:56: More of the same by the whingers The roads are closed a few days a year for these historical motorsports events which many thousands enjoy (including most locals) Delayed road opening is a bit of a pain but not the end of the world that some are making it out to be A lot of the problem is caused by bad driving - blocking junctions instead of waiting their turn etc Ban the TT if you like and close down half the island - hotels, restaurants and cafes would close and would affect all of us 365 days a year not some of us for a few hours a year (this is a fact - ask anyone involved in the hospitality industry) Replace bike racing with whinging as the national sport and i'm sure we have many potential olympic champions here.....

GEORGE

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 20:54: What exactly is the purpose of the MGP. It used to be a precursor to the TT by allowing younger riders to gain experience to qualify for the TT. Now we get a 67 year old racing and of course unfortunately suffering the ultimate penalty of this ridiculous "sport". As for us locals the inconvenience is indescribable. All week I have had workmen trying to come and go to do various jobs at my house inside the course and shall probably end up paying them double as half the time they had to either rush home to stop getting caught out by road closure changes or trapped inside when they needed to go get a part. Also what effect is Saturday's racing going to have on our local shops. People do have Saturday off and many like to get their shopping done. Half the island will now not be able to or have to struggle through imperfect "access roads". The cost to the economy will far outweigh the benefits from the very few usually old and poor visitors who are attracted and foolish enough to make the journey here. Scrap it.....

JAMES

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 20:38: Wow what a great thread! It isn't often that something attracts so many comments on these pages and if these comments (whether you agree with them or not) are representative of public opinion then surely the MGP's days are numbered – at least in its present format. There are a couple of points probably worth making in addition to what's already been said. Firstly, and I may be wrong here, I don't think it was poor old Bruce Hannay who decided to close the roads. I think that once an order has been granted it's the MGP organisers who make the call and on this occasion Bruce is not guilty. Secondly, the police's ability to deal with Wednesday's "traffic problems" is perhaps a little overstated. There were simply too many vehicles trying to use the same bits of road at the same time and an army of policemen wouldn't have made a blind bit of difference – even if they could have gotten to the problem areas (with the exception of Lord Street obviously). We need to look at the organisers, the road network, the police and most importantly ourselves the road users and take a balanced view. The answer will probably not be a simple matter and we have some searching questions to pose. As an example, given the strength of feeling about the cost of fuel expressed in other threads, we must clearly all be very wealthy given the number of cars that were on the road on Wednesday! As for me, well I have a motorbike and I cut through the traffic quite easily and made it from Douglas to Ramsey in around 40 minutes, which is about average for a run home via Laxey. I can't understand what all the fuss was about! Finally, thanks for the kind words about the Island Carole. You are very welcome back with or without bikes. Us Manxies can get a little frustrated at times but we aren't really killjoys. Stop the MGP? What next? Before you know it we'll be banning stink bombs in Ballasalla!!

DAVE, Biker but not a race fan, Ramsey

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 20:20: Sounds to me the Island has developed into a bunch of whiners and complainers !! When I was on the Island last September and part of October !! The level of Drivers was terrible !! Not Knowing how to drive into or out of Roundabouts and for alternating at traffic hold ups forget it!! Blocking intersections causing traffic grid lock , And this was out of season time ,The TT and the M.G.P Puts the Island on the World map ,I'am asked where I am from in the UK !! And when I reply The Isle of man !! The response is always the same Oh that's where they have the TT and the MGP races or the island where the Cats with no tails come from !! Part of the Manx Heritage , Part of Being Manx,Be Proud of the Island !4 weeks a year of road closures and Bike noise ,is nothing to the World wide exposure the Island get's each and every year!!

D,!!! Canada

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 19:21: If they races do go ahead on Saturday, more locals will be inconvenienced as their social, sporting, family arrangements are thrown into dissaray. (What happens if there is a wedding at one of the churches on the course)? In addition to this, how many of the MGP competitors will have gone home as their ferry will be booked? It will be a traversty if there is a handful of amateurs racing at the expense of 1000's of us Manxies getting messed around again.

EGG

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 19:14: Well, what more can I add? I spent two hours 45 minutes getting from work to home. During that time I needed petrol, water, a toilet and headache tablets (the order of priority changed frequently throughout the period). I am glad to see that Juan has learned joined up sentences and can e-mail but is he living in cloud cuckoo land? Apparently he doesn't work full time and can work/play whenever he feels like it – or is he the boss and makes up his contracted hours as he goes along? Let me inform you about the real world Juan, Bruce Hannay and Richard Power.

a)I can dress myself b) I don't live near a main road c) The nearest road to my house is not a bus route d)I drive 18 miles to get to Douglas (the only place that I can obtain employment) e) I then have to travel southward to my office which – wait for it, is not on a bus route

Total time to work if I use my own transport 45 minutes - if weather conditions allow and DoT have not decided to close the mountain road for a) Snow b) Fog c)Road maintenance d) Filming e) Crashes f) Crash investigation g)Just in case any of the above… h) Leaves on the line – sorry, I got carried away When I finally made it to the Junction of Lord Street/Quine's Corner, I punched the air in Jubilation as I realised that the lights were failing to let the North Quay traffic through. Sorry guys, I usually go that way myself but couldn't make the turn. My MHK is Eddie Teare – any chance you are surfing tonight and can remember your election promises pre MEA and DHSS?

PATTY K

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 18:27: I've just moved to the island and enjoyed the TT. Not knowing anything about the Grand Prix I foolishly booked 2 weeks holiday from work and stayed at home intending to enjoy the activities offered on the island. This week has been a disaster. It started on Monday when we had invited friends to dinner and due to the road closures changing from what was advertised they couldn't get here on time. I live inside the course and am totally blocked, there is no way out of my street by car. My husband and I planned our activities around the road closures, only to find that every day the times have changed. I've found the Grand Prix website has not reacted quickly enough to the closures or non closures so we have been unable to make alternative plans. Today for example, the website said no racing. So we changed our plans this morning and decided to go hiking with the dogs this afternoon, on our way home we drive into Ramsey to see the roads being prepared to close, luckily we get back just in time. The Grand Prix website still says no racing today, IOM today says there is now racing this evening. I was planning to go shopping this evening, as racing is now on tomorrow. Now it looks as though I can't go shopping this evening or tomorrow. I have no problem with the racing and road closures as long as I am informed and can make plans but I have a problem with it when I plan a day at home due to racing to find half way through the day there isn't any and then find I have to cancel my days out at the last minute because a rest day is now a race day, Regards

JULIE, Ramsey

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 18:17: As a family we have visited the wonderful Isle of Man every year except two (foot and mouth and birth of 2nd Child) since the 1980's. For the Manx and TT, many years for both. We have spent many, many thousands of pounds on the Steam Packet crossings, accommodation, and ancillary costs associated. My husband and son both cut their teeth at the Manx, moving to the TT, and although I appreciate that the racing is not to everyone's taste we have met and have many good friends as a result of this association. Our second child was born on the Island, and was therefore a Manxman should he have lived. I have for many years felt I was coming home, when in the Island, and consider myself part of your Island. Never, until today did I realise that there could be such hatred towards us. I can understand that traffic delays and disruption must be very annoying and frustrating, particularly as this is an everyday occurrence in the UK. However directing such angst towards the Racers, with the name calling and personal insults is surely not the way to make friends and influence people? Although I am sure that the four weeks of racing, with the revenue raised is probably not the be all and end all for survival of the Island, particularly with the influx of financial institutions and the like in recent years, if there were no jobs for the hoteliers, restaurant owners, and all the other "tourist" associated companies then it is likely that there would be many more of the younger Islanders leaving- the economy could then take a down turn more that you would think. I am guessing that not all of you remain all your lives on the Island and that sometimes you visit the UK and beyond. Please spare a thought as to how you would feel if you experienced this prejudice on your travels. Best wishes to all of you- I still love your Island!

CAROLE LINSDELL

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 18:06: Oh the world is full of do-gooders isn't it? Why should people change their plans, not use their cars, arrange time-off just because this ridiculous waste of time & money, laughingly called an event, demands us to. Every time there's a motorsport event using public roads, the Island drivers & residents are held to ransom. Enough is enough. If we must put up with this while the organisers cannot see the end of their noses, at least compensate us by reducing fuel costs or road tax. Whoever thinks this is 'only' for two weeks of the year, have a better look at the sporting calendar.

FUMING, Douglas.

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 17:59: Why is it unavoidable when we know it is going to happen? Surely measures can be put in place to ease the traffic which is generally moving in one direction. If traffic lights are overloaded why not do something about it. Where are the police, traffic controllers and D.O.T. staff while all this is going on and how are Emergency Service vehicles supposed to get through gridlocked roads! It would also help if employers could be more flexible over the racing period because the biggest problem is that everyone finishes at 5. I think a little common sense would go a long way!

JANE

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 17:45: The farce gets worse. Now the racing is postponed until tomorrow. Any fool (just be looking out of the window) could see that because of

the weather, there would be no racing tonight. Are they just changing their minds to show their contempt to the Manx public?

E

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 17:37: It's Chicken Run gone bad. Inept Losers. I'm on holiday (on island) in a few weeks. Any objections from the IOM Govt to the roads being closed for me so I can enjoy my holiday in the Isle of Man? I probably contribute more financially than the tourists.

TAX PAYING IOM RESIDENT

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 17:23: The "chaos" on Wednesday was perfectly avaoidable if people, using the intelligence they were born with, had left their cars at home for the day, in the knowledge that the races might be delayed. They often are after all. And they have been going on twice a year for some time now. I left work at 4.15, was home by 4.30, and in situ to watch the races by 5.15. It's not difficult. Makes me wonder how these people get to work in the first place. Do they dress themselves I wonder? Having said that - the roads are a shambles in Douglas every night.

JUAN

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 16:56: First it's off then it's back on again! What a bunch of amateurs these so called race organisers are. Now there is talk of all of the local football fixtures being changed to an evening kick off or being postponed tomorrow! Who knows what will happen with the other local sports? There were 26 local football matches scheduled to be played tomorrow which involve manx residents. Then you have the people who plan their weekend around watching local football and their plans will now nodoubt have to be scrapped (I would guess around 1200 manx residents, players and spectators). What other things could someone already have organised for tomorrow, a wedding, a kids party? Just 2 quick examples so i don't get moaned at fo being biased towards manx football! What is the point of all this hassle, just so a bunch of geriatrics can potter about on their clapped out old bangers! Whoop-dee-doo! Let's say Wednesday night was a one off and somebody made an error of judgement by running the race late (as if they gave it that much thought). Now the race organisers are going to inconvenience the manx residents tonight and probably tomorrow. The manx residents should be given priority when any decisions like what has happened this week have to be made. After all we are the bread and butter to the Isle of Man. I like many of you enjoy the island's atmosphere during TT week and we are and have been brought up with TT week. If there are delays then we accept them because there are tens of thousands of visitors here to watch and compete in the TT races. The Manx Grand Prix on the other hand doesn't bring in anywhere near the number of visitors so why do we have to put up with the inconvenience so such a small minority can be happy? In my opinion it is well past its sell by date and needs to be knocked on the head. It may well be part of our history but so did the 'Birch'!

Many people have voiced their concerns/opinions on this site over the last couple of days but will anyone take any notice of our views. I would put money on it that they don't!

NC

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 16:40: Who is in charge of this farce? Laurel and Hardy?? Now the races are back on with some tonight and some tomorrow! Only in the IOM could this happen – tip for the (all of 30 odd) racers when you leave the IOM (because none of them are manx) – don't come back next year, unless between you, you can all pay for the upkeep of the course and the inconvenience to all us IOM residents/tax payers who pay for the damn thing!

SB

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 16:38: I agree with you Stacey, the number of times traffic has ground to a halt at the Lord Street roundabout and the police do absolutely nothing to assist the flow of traffic. I would guess that traffic duties are well below what they should be doing. Strange how the anti-TT/MGP brigade are not worried about this hold up.

PEEJAY

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 16:23: Just a thought, presumably if I left my car on the course and delayed their fun for 5 minutes I'd be fined or charged with some motoring offence right? Of course I'd never do that out of consideration as I'd understand the race people want to have it according to the timetable and wouldn't want to muck people about. Pity they can't appreciate that the other way round.

GB

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 16:19: CHALLENGE provided good points. The trouble is that some people do not even try to consider getting around by public transport, to walk or to amend their daily routine. The TT and MGP only highlights bad habits and there is no particular reason to pick on these 2 events. Overuse of cars for moving around is the main problem. On the other side the Director of highways should know the potential hot spots causing congestion and to arrange for a police assistance at these places instead of relying on the traffic lights only, if they can become "overloaded" on critical days. I believe that some London traffic experience could be implemented here. The drivers in London can be as bad as here when using roundabouts and they block them from time to time. At the times of heavy congestion Police solve the problem by forcing drivers out of the roundabout in the free direction if they entered it and could not continue in the intended direction. Another solution used to reduce the number of cars on certain days is allowing odd or even registration numbers out only but that is too much indiscriminate with regards to those who really have to use the car.

JIRI

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 16:16: I think the fiasco on Wednesday was unavoidable to some extent if the Police bothered to direct the traffic. Surely this would have eased some of the congestion. The ironic thing is that some of the worst congestion is at the roundabout next to the police station, leading to the prom – were all of the police sat drinking coffee and watching the mayhem? Ridiculous !!

STACEY

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 16:10: Wednesdays road closures due to racing obviously caused a great deal of inconvienience to a high percentage of the Islands working population, but it is unfair to blame Mr Hannay for his decision to continue the racing despite the delays, and Island residents cannot seriously expect the Government to spend millions of pounds on a brand new road network just on the off chance that Douglas may become grid locked again. Drivers should consider changing the way they drive - as in actually look ahead and see if there is enogh space for them without blocking a junction. I travelled home from Douglas towards the South on Wednesday evening and admittedly faced no problems with the traffic hold ups, but whilst doing this it was clear that the traffic would flow even slightly better if drivers were considerate, took turns and did not block round abouts or junctions. Residents should consider their actions before automatically blaming others.

ASHLEIGH

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 16:05: Can I suggest that next year every driver that was delayed this year get onto the course just before road closing time and drive and organized go slow around it to hold up the racing and remind everyone who pays for the roads.

ANON

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 16:00: Maybe if I could of got onto the promanade to get to somewhere to eat I might of done so but considering I work near the old prison i couldnt plus as it was so unexpected as a lot of people would of found out after they started driving home and couldnt do much about being stuck in the mayhem. Committments meant I had to get home. Its about time the islanders didnt have to put up with this.We prepare ourselves for TT week and either leave work early, leave the Island or put up and shut up but with the Grand Prix I really do not think we should be subjected to this. Before I get accused of disliking bikes I love them and enjoy the TT but wednseday was unexpected and unexceptable.

SI

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 14:59: Yeah OK it was chaos. It was chaos because when the roads are closed, everyone wanting to get out of Douglas heading North is forced onto Broadway and the promenade which can't cope and those going South or West are sent through several sets of traffic lights at Pulrose which aren't set up to cope or onto a roundabout at the sea terminal which can't cope. Now that we've got over the why's, lets look at what can be done to improve things. The solutions to the problems faced on Wednesday and any other time this occurs are actually within the comments made by those people posting to this thread. People can do a lot to help themselves out of the crisis. Simple things like leaving work and going to get something to eat, as someone did, rather than jumping in your car and joining in the chaos. Thereby waiting for the traffic to ease in comfort rather than stressed out with road rage. Why not, as was suggested, go and watch some of the races if you can. You could enjoy it. Park your car at lunchtime where it's going to be easier to get away after work, even if that means a bit of a walk back to the office and to the car after work. Bet the walk is a lot quicker than the time spent sitting in traffic !!!! Car share, fewer cars = less traffic = shorter delays. But it's not only us that can do things, strangely enough the government can take action to help ease the pain of road closures : Increase the number of bypasses across the TT roads. For example one side of the new QB roundabout should be able to be used by motorists. Build the proposed bypass at the top of Victoria Road across summerhill glen to blackberry lane, this would ease the pressure on Broadway by giving motorists more choice. Use our police force or traffic wardens to control the flow of traffic at strategic points in and out of Douglas for example the sea terminal roundabouts. Open up the summerland site to allow free parking and free bus rides to/from town on race days. This would mean a majority of car drivers won't get stuck in and have to fight through the traffic to get across the prom. Do the same with the Bowl car park and possibly the NSC for people from the South and West. Put on free commuter trains, stop talking about it, do it. Make all public transport free from 7am - 9am and then 4:30 - 6:00 to encourage people to use it and not their car. This could be done all year round since we quite rightly provide free transport to our elderly and children, why not to our work force who actually contribute to the transport from their taxes in the first place. But I digress, this is for another thread. Yes some of these things have the word "free" with them, but what would be the cost to have free buses for workers or free trains or free parking ? And would the benefit out weigh the costs ..I think we're all agreed that they would. They could be used all year round. I'm sure there's plenty of other things to do that the avid readership can come up with rather than jumping in your car and adding to the congestion. Perhaps you could post an idea or two. But at the end of the day, the simple solution is always the best. The road closure orders for the TT and MGP should simply state that the main roads are open from 5:00p.m. - 6:00p.m weekdays. So who do we see about a consultation with Joe Public on this matter ? Any chance the newspapers could keep us informed of any changes or maybe go and ask the questions in a few months when the dust has settled ?

CHALLENGE

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 14:56: How can Bruce Hannay possibly say that the "road closures were unavoidable" – on what basis? The racing does not even have to happen at all. There is no law that states racing must proceed at all costs regardless of the consequences. Quite simply he was faced with a choice of allowing racing to go ahead for the small contingent of biker and spectators – the vast majority of which are not island residents – or to cater for the needs and best interests of hard working Manx residents, the basis of the island economy who were simply looking forward to getting back to their families to relax and eat. He chose the former which shows where his loyalties and interest lie. Are not these officials elected by Manx residents to look after the best interest of the island tax and rate payers? Of course he had a choice – postpone the racing to Thursday just as today's racing, despite the fact it is a fine day, has been deferred to Saturday without due regard for the freedom of families on one of their days off thereby compounding the nuisance of these races. Families will now be faced with arranging their leisure time on Saturday around these visiting bikers. On Wednesday I was also very disappointed with the police who, instead of directing traffic around Douglas to ensure a smoother flow, were actually positioned at several places along the coast road to Ramsey, no doubt with the intention of catching harassed residents who, having been stuck in Douglas for 2 hours, simply wanted to get home to their families as quickly as possible. In view of the fact that the TT and MGP contribute nothing to the economy, or indeed are actually a financial burden, represent a widespread nuisance for residents, and are also the direct cause of a huge loss of life and serious injuries that we tax payers have to pay for not withstanding the misery of bereaved relatives who have lost loved ones to this circus, should the government not now call time on these events which no longer seem relevant to the needs of either the island or its residents?

AC

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 14:47: Mr Hannay is talking absolute tripe...!!!!. Yes of course there are going to be complications because of road closures, but these complications can surely be managed better..???, for example, the horse drawn tram on the prom whilst the roads are closed, nonsense.!!!!, it is true that these races have been running for years and like most people on the Island I do NOT want them banned, but in the same tone, as they have been going on for years surely the traffic problem can be "managed" better, surely a study has been made by Mr Hannay at ways of easing the problem..??. What annoys most people is the total lack of any measures being implemented or even suggested, that's where he is failing.

RACE FAN

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 14:47: Surely these so called "MGP organisers" cannot go back on the decision they made this morning albeit a misinformed decision!!! Can't accurate information regarding weather be obtained?? PLEASE sort this out for next year as I hate to read all the bad press being generated concerning road racing on the island. It's part of our history and it's what makes us unique….

NP proud Manxman

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 14:45: I notice that the organisers refer to the inconvenience caused to "motorists"....well "motorists" are people trying to go about their daily lives, get home, pick up the kids, go about their business....we are not "motorists" we are people having our freedom of movement severely compromised by these so called races which appear to have very little to offer the Island. Very few people watch them and they are an enormous drain on our economy, so why should thousands be inconvenienced in order to allow a handful of enthusiasts to pursue their hobby?? I realise that it is a qualifying round for the TT itself, but why can't it be tagged on to the end of TT to minimize disruption or at least be reduced to 1 week of closures rather than 2...somebody in the know please tell us!!?? If we MUST have it, then I believe that some courtesy should be extended to the island's residents in keeping to the timetable - if the weather is bad, the race should be canceled - fullstop...messing people around by postponing leaves us unable to make any plans. As a person living on the course it is a nightmare to go to work and not know whether you will be able to get home that evening. Friday's racing has been postponed til Saturday - well that's great!!! We actually had some important things to do tomorrow - now inaccessible and therefore will need to cancel . Business is severely compromised by the disruption to the roads - anybody who has a delivery element to their business must be at their wits end!! And what about those with children that they can't get home to?? It's outrageous when you think about it..... You can't prevent people from going home without at least 24 hours warning so that childcare arrangements can be made. Why should we have to drive the "long way home"??? Who is going to reimburse the extra petrol costs that we all incur? We can put up with it for TT....but MGP???.....please give us a break!

TJ

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 14:38: I agree that only a few profit from the TT/MGP - and it's not the IOM tax payer – the pubs, hotels etc should maybe pay a premium in order to facilitate their cash cow! I'm sick of it – many manx football matches were cancelled on Wednesday night and if the races go ahead on Saturday how many (manx) people will be inconvenienced again?? There's 40ish football teams on the IOM, never mind rugby, hockey, etc. Now your average IOM resident will spend about 2 hours of their weekend stationary in a car while a group of people, not from the IOM, ride their motorbikes around our roads – closed for their convenience. Take your bikes to some other silly country that'll subsidise it to keep a minority of locals (living in the past) happy.

SB

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 14:18: As a lifelong supporter of the IOM TT I find myself agreeing with the so called whinges on the issue of disruptive road closures for insignificant, non-commercial events such as the MGP has become. I also agree that common sense disappears when you place a plastic jacket and an armband on some people. I personally experienced this on Wednesday at the bottom of Cronkbourne Road when arriving just prior to the advertised roads crossing points being closed at 16-40 (although a further delay then caused them not to close until later). Although the course had a barrier across it within 2 yards of pavement walking from where I stood I was not allowed to duck under the barrier and cross to Tromode Road but had to go back up the road and down Thorny Road to use the crossing. As this was not possible before the supposed closing time I in fact had to walk via St Ninians. With no bikes operating and a barrier across the road what was the problem apart from bloody mindedness? The Marshall took pleasure in telling me that a bloke who lived in the first house in Quarterbridge Road had already been refused permission to cross so I had no chance.

DOUGIE

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 14:15: Firstly may I say I am a big supporter of the TT and the Manx Grand Prix. And to me the answer is simple I only saw one traffic policeman at the bottom of summer hill. Now surely the authoritys knew in advance of the delay. Why don't they put a policeman directing the traffic at the roundabout outside Lord street police station and one at the bottom of Broadway and one at the turn off to church street from what I saw coming from Onchan this was where the problem areas were located.

TIM

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 14:13: Now they say they may race tonight!! For gods sake make your minds up. Most people (myself included) couldn't give a damn about the MGP so stop messing us around. If they race tonight I hope they don't even think about trying to sneak a race in tomorrow. That would add insult to injury. The MGP should be scrapped as it's only held for the minority. You idiots have had your chance to race round our roads in June so next year stay away and lets make sure the MGP dies a death. I would dance on it's grave! As I am sure thousands of other inconvenienced islanders would.

MANX ISLANDER

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 14:11: Ok all you moaning minnies out there, calm down. TT has been a part of the IOM for over 100 years and if its not something you enjoy then its tough really!! The TT brings a lot of tourism to the island. What if the fair didn't come or the prom didn't have the entertainment you'd moan then too. They both bring life to the island and some of us actually enjoy the bikes being here. I am a marshal and will continue to do so for many years. I couldn't get the time off work to help out but I will be there tomorrow if they go ahead and for one I am pleased. It means I get to see some of the races. The roads did not have to open on Wednesday night at all, why complain at all when you knew that the races had gone ahead. If you want to moan at someone moan at Manx radio for getting it wrong, they never get it right…….

JM

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 14:08: Although I'm not a motorcycle fan, I don't think the TT or MGP should be banned. I'm not Manx but have been lucky enough to live on this fantastic island for over 20 years now. I accept that the races were here long before I was, and I honestly don't mind a bit of inconvenience but Wednesday did seem to be worse than usual (although I'm told by other locals that it wasn't) I had gone into work early so I could finish early at 15.45 (I'm fortunate that I can do that) but it still took me well over an hour to get from Ballasalla to Laxey, and from what I've heard that I was lucky. I totally agree with a few of the comments below, that say about car drivers blocking up roundabouts and junctions; this only adds to the delays. I also agree that the police should be doing more. If there were a couple of traffic cops at key points (Sea Terminal roundabout, bottom of Broadway etc) stopping people 'blocking' the way I believe it would help. Isn't that more important than being out with a speed-camera? And although it's not much consolation, it's far nicer to be in slow moving traffic on the IOM, where a nice view is never far away, than being in one in the middle of a city. Many thanks.

JB.

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 14:06: As an avid TT /MGP fan, local resident who lives within the circuit and Douglas office worker, I believe my views are valid and should be taken into account by our politicians. I was appalled by the state of Douglas roads on Wednesday evening- what a sad state of affairs that the MGP organisers & police didn`t accept that their decision to keep the roads closed through rush hour would cause chaos –for heavens sake, its not the first time that this has happened and would have thought that previous lessons would have been learned….where were the police directing traffic as God knows what else they were up to during this calamity? I believe that they hold the responsibility for this debacle and think its about time they took responsibilty for their actions ( or non action). I totally understand that the MGP organisers have their own responsibilities for competitors and marshalls alike but at the end of the day I know that the police have a massive say in any final decision. This debate has already mentioned that one hours road opening at the passing points (as they did on Bank Holiday Monday ) would have helped enormously so why was this overlooked? surely our authorities aren`t that ignorent or uncaring? At the end of the day, if our residents are put at risk because the emergency services can`t provide an efficent service, our business travellers miss their planes and locals can`t even get home for dinner I would say for a small Isand like ours it's a serious matter to be investigated and not swept under the carpet like so many other issues here. God knows what the repurcussions will be and I totally understand the anger that the non biking and business public felt on that evening and no doubt (if it goes ahead) even more inconvenience will be felt by the locals on Saturday. As we all know , the MGP is a valuable feeder for the TT and if it is put at threat by stupid decisions by the authorities, it may endanger the future of the TT which in turn will seriously hit our economy. I suggest a serious debate should be put on the agenda for the next Tynwald sitting and let the MHKs have their say.

PETER

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 13:35: Just a few points. The TT and MGP do NOT make money for the Island (audit by Deloitte & Touch 2000). The TT breaks even, the MGP looses millions. SOME people make a fortune from the TT but only because the Tax payer subsidises it. Secondly: Several people have mentioned that it is possible to plan as you know when the roads are closing etc. Yes, but I don't know when my wife is going to go into Labour so please forgive my lack of organisational skills. I happened to be taking my little boy home from visiting in hospital. He was hungry, tired, hot and irritable. It might have been "only" two hours but try explaining that to a small child! Thirdly; The comment that it was unavoidable is just an insult! EVERYONE assumed they would open the roads until six and then run the 2nd race at six thirty. The MGP organisers were the only people on the Island not to think of this solution and for one simple reason. THEY aren't inconvenienced by their decisions. This was entirely avoidable. I've never been a fan of the TT and MGP. I think there are a huge inconvenience and a waste of time and money. I've always accepted I am in the minority. Wednesday, for the MGP, appears to have changed this. All around Douglas on Thursday people were ranting about the MGP and what a waste of time it is. MGP organisers beware. Your stupidity and insensitivity has turned the tide!

JB, Kirk Michael

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 13:30: Anybody considered the disruption to the Isle of Man sporting calendar tomorrow? No. didn't think so. Certainly the football at St George's will be called off if the racing goes ahead and there will be a lot of other postponements as well. Thanks very much MGP

RB

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 12:59: No problem with the road closures and I think it was a credit to the motorists that not a horn was sounded in anger or impatience. Did feel sorry for a fire engine trying to get down Lord Street at one point. That said I've often wondered why the Steam Packet bring in a boat at a time when the roads are packed with people making their way home, this does seem to congest things even more. Also fair play to the opportunist man who left his car at one point in Market St to nip into M&S to do some shopping.

GRAHAM BRUNSTROM

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 12:54: Why are they not racing today?, the Web cam on the Bungalow shows it as being fine. Why did they make such a decisive decision about calling off the racing without giving it the the opportunity to improve, which it has done each day this week. Now we have the inconvenience of Racing on Saturday, if they can find Marshals, which if they can't will mean calling it off completely. I'm gobsmacked ????????

TONY

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 12:45: Enough is enough! I'm fed up paying for the racing. Not only are my taxes used to maintain the "track" at the expense of the rest of the roads but I (and very many others) get called whingers when we complain about the complete disrespect the organisers have for the other residents and businesses on the island. Everything has to come to a standstill when the racing is in town. I had business associates who couldn't get out of Douglas on Wednesday in time to catch their flight. These gentlemen contribute far more to the Isle of Man in terms of revenue than the MGP ever could and I was embarrassed not only that they missed their flight but by how the Isle of Man came across from an organisational aspect. People keep banging on about all the revenue that the racing brings to the island. Where is it? Most of us won't have seen a red cent of it. Perhaps the recipients of most of this revenue (pubs, hotels, etc) should contribute more to the upkeep of the "track" and all the other ancillary costs associated with the racing? As for the organisers - please learn some respect and professionalism. As for the Government - what a typical response from the usual bunch of amateurs.

ANNOYED BUSINESSMAN

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 12:11: I just read this thread, I am off the Island because I cant work when the roads are closed, I also have to take my holidays in TT fortnight for the same reason. I read one of the comments that said 'the roads are only closed 2 weeks of the year' How many MONTHS has the mountain road been closed this year as a result of preparations for the TT & MGP and the races? We need the TT, perhaps not the MGP, we do put up with a hell of a lot of inconvenience as a result of the events. Okay, these events bring in money to the Island, but they cost Joe public a fortune in inconvenience.

GARETH PINCKARD, Ramsey.

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 12:01: I accept the roads being closed for the TT, however I have no patience for an event such as the MGP that brings very little to the island apart from Chaos and disruption to residents. The road closures on Wednesday night during rush hour were not fair at all.

JC

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 12:00: In general, drivers on the Island need to know how to use roundabouts! f the lane that you are in has nowhere to go due to heavy traffic – be patient!, DON'T block the roundabout just because it 'may' be your right of way. It just makes matters worse. As for the MGP and road closures, the public just need to use a bit of common sense, listen to local road reports on the radio, and alter their plans slightly for the rare occasion that this happens. Whether you're a fan or not, the MGP is part of our heritage and we should support it!

JANE, Douglas

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 11:58: As ME says "time for a cost/benefit analysis" My view is go ahead and also do one (separately so they can't both water each other down) on the TT. Back in the TT's heyday in terms of number of visitors etc (late 60's early 70's) the powers that be started just such an exercise… it was never finished because it became clear that – with the exception of a small number of organisations (Steam Packet, Breweries etc) – the costs far outweighed the benefits gained to the people of the Island as a whole. These days, it stands to reason, that the costs would still not be covered. Go ahead and do the analysis (but FINISH IT and MAKE IT PUBLIC this time!!!) It will be a brave politician who stops this lunacy (and as we know you have more chance of finding a Dodo than a brave politician!)

ANON

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 11:57: Some of the traffic flow problems were avoidable! The horse trams were out on the prom; vehicles were doing their normal double parking. I understand that the swing bridge was opened during the peak flow of traffic and some of our police were out with speed cameras rather than assisting with the flow of Douglas traffic.

JOHN

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 11:50: Yes the weather caused the race delays, but who caused the traffic delays? The MGP Organisation! Simple solution was to let the Rush hour traffic clear and then close the roads again for racing.

ANGRY RESIDENT

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 11:42: I can accept the roads being closed for the TT, as this is a wonderful sporting event which brings lots of visitors, publicity, money and life to the island and I do not mind being put out at all. However the MGP does not being enough visitors over and I feel that it's unacceptable to put the majority of the manx public working in Douglas out for a small crowd of bikers. I appreciate it's a historic Manx event but the MGP Organisation really need to re-think their priorities, in my opinion.

MANX MAN

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 11:34: Does anyone look at all 'non-maintenance' Road Closure Applications with a critical eye, or does the DoT just 'Rubber stamp' them, grab the money and run? It is not just the TT/MGP, with their ability to extend the road closures into the rush-hours, but the likes of the rally organisers wanting to close Glencrutchery Road on a Saturday afternoon - all of which cause grid-lock in Douglas. What of the BBC being granted permission, on what is becoming a regular basis, to close the Mountain Road for filming for 'Top Gear'? Just because the laws permit the closure of public roads, on application and payment of a fee, does not mean that the facility should automatically be granted to all comers and to hell with the public! Publishing a notice in the papers does not make it all OK! One would hope that a 'negative-vetting' process is applied to all applications (including the 'sacred cows' - the TT and MGP)

IAN

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 11:27: MGP is a complete waste of time, all these (offensive word removed) that like racing on motorbikes around substandard country roads should be encouraged to risk their lives on a purpose built circuit. Before they start racing they should ensure they have the money to cover private medical costs as all these riders coming to Nobles for free treatment for self-inflicted injuries is a joke. The VOTE says it all, the majority (greater than 60%) don't want the MGP inconveniencing their lives, the government should wake up to reality and listen to the people. Now they are looking for mug marshals to stand on the course all day Saturday, who in the right mind could be bothered doing that for free with the possibility of ending up in court again (Ballacraine incident).

ANON

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 11:25: Has anyone thought as to why the roads were closed that late ? The Weather! Need I say more???

ANON

FRIDAY, AUGUST29, 2008 11:23: Quote from Article "'The organisers were complying with the terms of the road closure orders which has provisions for delaying the races. We would have hoped not to have these delays but safety is paramount.' As far as I am aware they are legally aloud to keep the roads closed until 8:30pm, if this is the case then why could they not have opened the roads for at least an hour, say 5pm until 6pm to let the rush hour traffic get out of Douglas. I don't see how they put the public's safety first with all the traffic chaos that went on. I enjoy the TT Fortnight and don't mind being put out with the roads being closed for the many visitors that come to our island to enjoy what I think is a brilliant event, however the MGP does not being over nearly enough vistiors and is in my opinion is an outdated sporting event with no atmosphere!

OFFICE WORKER, Douglas

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 11:08: MGP has been there a lot longer than the whingers I would hazard a geuss. If you don't like us bringing the revenue (all events) for many years then just (offensive word removed) off!

IJ

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 11:04: As stated by a number of people the roads were closed legally as per the roads acts however what we are mearly saying is the organisers could have used a little grey matter and allowed a breif roads open period around rush hour they could have then closed the roads again untill the 8:30 deadline. This has produced a large amount of bad publicity for MGP and TT and was totally avoidable. Perhaps its is time for a change to the act in that roads must be open for rush hour? Or our politians more afraid of the vocal minority of TT/MGP supporters. Please note I am not attacking the TT/MGP in them selves more the organisation.

NW

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 11:04: I'm a big fan of the TT, but surely it's time for a cost / benefit analysis of the MGP. Also, a bit more thought about road closure times wouldn't go amiss. Either make sure the roads are open by 5:30 no matter what, or make sure they're open between, say, 5pm and 6pm to allow the worst of the traffic to clear and then carry on racing afterwards. I don't think the majority of people mind being inconvenienced by the TT as it brings a number of benefits to the Island, but the MGP is a different story.

ME

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 10:58: I now see that racing today has been cancelled and they are going to disrupt people's weekend by closing the roads on Saturday. For gods sake lets put an end to this useless event. No-one's interested and it's just a nuisance to the Manx public. Hopefully they won't get enough marshals tomorrow and we can have our weekend in peace!

FED UP (MANX) ROAD USER!

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 10:49: The road closures for the Manx Grand Prix are a joke. There are hardly any spectators, interest is minimal and the disruption to those of us who live here is unacceptable. I believe it is a sacrifice worth making for the TT which attracts lots of visitors to the Island and media interest which helps promote the Isle of Man. Those who want to avoid the disruption can book holidays to coincide with TT. It is unreasonable to expect workers to book 4 weeks holiday just to avoid the disruption. Scrap the Manx Grand Prix, or combine it with the TT so the disruption is only 2 weeks of the year which we can all plan around.

ANON

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 10:35: Wednesday evening it took me two hours from Isle of Man Business Park to Onchan (it would have been longer except, realising the roads were starting to open, I cut up through Douglas rather than go via the Promenade). One hour and five minutes from Fort North roundabout to the White Hoe! For what? A few hundred enthusiasts? Utterly ridiculous that so many should be inconvenienced for the "benefit" of so few and that is not even taking into account the fact that I reckon it cost me an extra few pounds in fuel (unnecessarily). This Government bleats on about reducing carbon footprints and other "fashionable" environmental claptrap and then allows a couple of idiots to completely wipe the benefit off the face of the earth! In my opinion they should reduce the duty (locally) on fuel by 2p per litre for a week to enable those of us already stretched to the limit to replenish our tanks with the extra amount it cost us to get home that night! Before anybody starts – no I don't drive a gas-guzzler… it's a Ford Fiesta and – where practical – I was turning the ignition off. The only good thing to come out of this is that hopefully the ill-feeling caused by this may ensure that this race and "t'other one" in June will soon be given the chop and the roads of the Isle of Man be given back to the RESIDENTS of the Isle of Man (remember us? we're the ones who pay for them!)

ANON

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 09:00: I must say car sharing is not bad idea from dave and should be considered all year round. However this does not take away from the fact that the MGP organisers (oxymoron I know) should have had some forthought when closing the roads. Also the diverstions in douglas funnel all trafic down the same roads this should be looked at.

ANON THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 18:57: Hi Andy, then maybe you can get all your lot that use one person per car and get a lift with the bloke next door who you somehow pass every morning when turning into your parking space in Douglas. My point, which you obviously missed, was that if there are so many of you travelling south at the same time why not try using all that space you have for your sarnies in the morning and put someone who works in Douglas next to you. Maybe the problem is just highlighted by MGP and the TT, the problems are still there, all you lot travelling one person per car when you all live in the same area. Until then why not try what they do in 'Landan' and space your leaving out.

DAVE

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 18:01: I wondered how long it would take for the Whingers to crawl out from under theirs stones!!! It's only two weeks of the year, for christ sake and only six days out of those two weeks are race days. I also live in KM like NW and have a long day if there are any delays but I know exactly when the TT and MGP is on so I make provisions for those dates in case there are any delays. Why do people find it so hard to use a bit of common sense and make alternative arrangements in case there are

any delays instead of moaning all the time.

NON WHINGING MANX RESIDENT

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 17:27: Oh dear! I think a few people need to get a life. The road closure order has been passed and printed in newspapers etc for quite a while and clearly states that the roads may be kept closed until 8.30pm.

Not too sure that you can complain after the act, everyone had been informed ( if they cared to look) but obviously did not bother. As for `grinding to a halt` hardly I think. Just remember there was also other problems in Douglas yesterday that may have held up the traffic too. Oh yes what happens when we get a springling of snow?? the whole island is in gridlock, so quite moaning about the TT and Manx GP its surely not that bad.

KG

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 16:32: To all you guys who have entirley missed the point. Not many of us (whingers) are complaining about the traffic queues or the disruption caused. The real point is the fact that all of the unplanned disruption was easily avoidable if the organisers had considered the bigger picture. Comparing us to London is ridiculous - we set off to work & go home again without expecting to be faced with traffic of that scale - without the opportunity to plan any alternative. I would also like to know how "DAVE" thinks we were expected to use the Old Castletown road, the St Marks road or the Ballamodda straight - when leaving Douglas was the problem - maybe helicopter??

ANDY

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 16:12: I personally wasn`t too troubled with the road closures on Wednesday night, as I ride my motorbike to work each day and was able to ride down the out side of the waiting traffic (probably much to annoyance of car drivers). But maybe if some drivers weren`t so impatient and stopped blocking off roundabout & junctions that would be some of the holdups.

As for the people want to know where the police were, they were sneakily sitting at various places on the Laxey coast road with their radar guns hoping to catch someone. People may complain that the roads were closed so late in the evening, but the road closure times are printed in all the local papers weeks before the racing actually starts, you can say that you didn`t know. There is one thing that might solve some of the congestion in Douglas, why don`t some of the islands businesses re-locate of out the centre of Douglas or out of Douglas all together. As when you look at it how many companies are based round Circular Road, Athol Street, Prospect Hill, there must be a huge number of people who work in that area and all finish around the same time at night. Why don`t the Govt take the lead and locate their office outside Douglas, (that's halved the number already.) Also the road layout in Douglas could do with having a serious sorting out, maybe the govt could try to build a road from Victoria Road out to Onchan so that when the roads are closed they don`t have to use the already promenade. One last thing, have the Corpie ever considered shutting down 2 of the sets of pedestrian crossing on the prom for race days, as I don`t think that extra few yards isn`t that much of a struggle. I`m sure that would also help to relive some of the hold ups, as once you get past the gaiety the traffic seems to flow a lot better on the prom.

ANON

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 15:58: Who cares about Traffic in London? People of London know how long their Journey to and from work will be, may it be 3 hours at least they know it will be this length of time. I am sure there would be an up roar if they closed roads at rush hour in London, without enough prior warning. The MGP Officials made a mistake in what they did last night. They did not consider the needs of the public at all.

CRAIG M

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 15:34: S/PE, while your idea is a nice one, a lot of people were not in this situation, working at noble's hospital, I was unable to leave work at all for 2 hours due to the roads being so busy. While I fully support the TT / MGP, I feel that they made a mistake last night by completely ignoring the needs of the general public. A journey home that normally takes half an hour took 3 hours last night; this didn't have to happen, if only they considered the needs of working Manx public and opened the roads for rush hour (perhaps - 5pm-6pm) instead of putting the tourists / races before us. They could of then commenced the racing once they had given people the chance to get home from a long day at work.

JC

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 15:05: Lets get this into perspective residents. Having worked in London for a number of years and queued to / from work EVERY day of the year, I think it's a little bit of an over reaction to cause hype over a total of 4 weeks minor disruption on the island. The isle of man is very lucky not to have the same scale of traffic problems that many other countries , especially the UK have to endure. I think it's a little selfish to moan about what I feel is minor disruption for a short period of time in order to support an important part of manx heritage. The problem is, some people want everything their way. You cant have such a great event which generates tourism, income etc etc without a little bit of disruption. Remember, its only 4 weeks out of the year. Spare a thought for the residents who have to endure bad traffic every single day of their working lives. We really are lucky people over here so enjoy the races – don't hate them.

STEPHEN

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 14:45: I foolishly went to Tesco at 5pm! We soon realised the traffic was so bad we wouldn't even be able to get out of the parking space. We simply loaded tp the bus and rocked down the road to Coasters where we had a very enjoyable meal. Upon paying we noticed that one of the cars stuck outside Coasters was one that had been in the queue of traffic waiting at Tesco. Take a leaf out of our book and go with the flow.

S/PE

THURSDAY,AUGUST 28, 2008 14:31: I live on a closed development just off the TT course with no way out by vehicle once the roads are closed. I for one am extremely weary of either not being able to leave or return to my home, often leaving us stranded, whenever the organisers arbitrarily decide to change the road closure schedules at the last minute. This has happened to me countless times over the 17 years I have lived in this location, and not just for the TT or MGP either – often for other very poorly supported road racing sports. Numerous times in the past I have been stranded for up to 4 hours for push bike or classic car racing for example as well as the car rallies. I have nothing at all against these sports per se – on the contrary – but the needs of the rate paying residents should always come first. It often seems that the government is happy to sanction road closures for any road sport that fancies racing here. One of my biggest issues is that often the roads are closed all day, even when there is no racing taking place for some reason. The marshal's are often extremely unsympathetic or even hostile when asked if we can leave our road during a lull in racing. The TT I can tolerate because it does bring the island much recognition, visitors and of course money, and it is quite a spectacle even for non-bikers. I draw the line however at the MGP where relatively few visitors arrive, and all other lesser supported road sports that contribute little or nothing to the island. As has been suggested – why not build a purpose built racing facility at Jurby airfield for example? I realise the attraction is racing on the roads, but it is the Manx resident that pays to maintain and use those roads. Wednesday afternoon and evening was a total disgrace. I needed to get to Onchan for 17:00 - Onchan is a mile up the road. I set off at 16:00 after allowing plenty of time and parking my car some distance away so I could get the access road, and eventually arrived in Onchan at 17: 30 – 90 minutes later after long traffic jams to the access road and the entire length of the promenade. I hope that the needs of the rate paying residents will be recognised and respected in future years. For a start there could be scheduled road openings in between individual races for say 30 minutes to relieve traffic congestion and allow residents to actually get home. I also hope that the roads are never closed again during peak traffic times for any reason – even if it means disappointing a few spectators. As an aside – I am absolutely dismayed by the carnage associated with the island every year as a result of so many deaths and serious injuries during the TT and MGP. It reminds me of the Roman times when people were thrown to the Lions for the benefit of the bloodthirsty crowds. In the USA the Indy 500 has that same reputation yet is tame and much safer than bike road racing here. And as we have seen so often it is often the innocent onlookers that end up the victims. If the TT and MGP is about bringing money to the Isle of Man – what price would the organisers place on a human life - or half a dozen human lives? Aside from the distress of the relatives who have suffered the loss or serious injury of a loved one, how much is it costing the rate payer each year for the hospitalisation, medical attention and rehabilitation of bikers who have killed or injured themselves and others in their own interests of speed at all costs? Yours faithfully,

AC.

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 14:17: Maybe P should work harder then they might be able to leave earlier or did they? kidding, only of course if his work allows… just try to work around things and not drive straight through them because they do not conform to your high standards. This is a joke by the way, I can understand that people take holidays for the bikes but are they not allowed to take the holidays they are entitled too? I am sure P takes theirs when ever they wish….

DAVE

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 14:03: Hi Feebee, what about the residents that support the races and don't mind this? Are you not ignoring what they like or want to watch? If you look at it there is no disruption for two weeks. You have practice at night after 6 o'clock so plenty of time to pick up your little un's and get home, so that's a week out. Then there is race days …. Three of them so if you look at it there is only really disruption for three days, that's if the weather is against the organisers, so is that really too much to ask out of all the days in the year? The vast majority of people I know get involved. They never used to, but they went once and loved it. It has got to be hard for the organisers to make sure that there was minimal disruption. They could have closed the roads at the normal time in the morning and only had one race, which meant that they would have to run one today, so that's two days disruption instead of one. I know where you are coming from about the kids needing picked up but what time would that be? 5? 4.30? the roads could have been closed today all the way up to 6 o'clock. So really the organisers have saved disruption to one day. I hope you can understand where I am coming from….

DAVE

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 13:52: I sympathise with those residents who experienced problems travelling home from work due to the races being delayed.I think; and it is only my humble opinion; that there is an underlying problem that may be a common factor with a number of gripes that appear in your column. There appears to be a noticeable lack of involvement, planning and communication by the Manx authorities. Over here on the bigger island whenever an event which attracts large numbers of the public is arranged; be it racing; gardening shows or country fairs; the local authorities, highways agencies, police and motoring organisations all get involved and clear signage together with good old-fashioned police on point duty is provided for those wishing/needing to avoid being stuck in a traffic jam. I was not able to come over for the MGP (thanks go to Manx Radio for the coverage) but have experienced the hold-ups in Douglas at the end of race-days. So; please address your complaints to ALL the agencies who should be involved; after all you are paying for their services.

MARTIN

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 13:40: Dave seems to have totally missed the boat on this one. We don't live in London we live here so you can't compare. To blame 'The big man' is not right either yes the weather has not been on the MGP's side but its overall the organisers fault. Ok so they opened crossing points at about 4pm but closed them before 5 would it not have been better to have these at say 5 to 6/6.30 to allow trafic to clear as normal? Not all of us can leave work early especilly when some of our collegues take time off to marshal or timekeep.

P

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 13:28: It appears that the normal rules don't apply as far as motor cycle racing around the TT course is concerned. Ordinary people trying to earn a living or getting to and from work can be inconvenienced without recourse. Health and Safety rules which insist on courses on how to climb step ladders safely appear to allow men in their 60's to race high powered motor cycles feet away from houses and gardens. But no matter how many people are killed, seriously injured or inconvenienced, the TT and MGP roadshow will carry on regardless.

GEOFF, Douglas

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 13:16: Julie P, I think you miss the point to an extent. It was the inconsiderate decision to close the roads at a time when workers of the Isle of man that put money into the Island ALL YEAR ROUND are inconvenienced to the extent of last night. I am sure that the roads could have been closed later and those that really do enjoy the races, take part, marshall,and want to encourage others in the race will not mind at all. After all, they may have saved all year and travelled many miles, whats another few hours? was there any thought given to those that need to pick children up from nurseries, minders? Parents that need to get home to let the other parent go to work?? I think if it is weighed up, it is clear to see that the road closure was a wrong decision when it came to the residents, the ones that as I said earlier support the Island all year. From the amount of people here, I doubt much money will have been bought into the Island. No one asks to stop the bikers fun, well I certainly don't. All residents request is a little consideration. Too much to ask? Oh and Ho Hum, the ole boat line thrown in....yawn yawn.... old ones are the best ey....yawn.

FEEBEE

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 13:05: Dry your eyes you lot… for crying out loud all you have to do is take an alternative route, think ahead and plan a little better and you will be fine. The races were reduced so it didn't interrupt too much and I am sure if the organisers could have had great weather you wouldn't have this problem, unfortunately the lines were down to the big fella who organises the weather. Why not instead of moaning about it get out there for a look, put your chicken nuggets on hold and watch the bikes for a bit. God forbid you may even enjoy it. You all know the races are on so should be prepared and sorry they obviously don't run the all of the Island for those few that moan, as there will always be a few people you can never keep happy. Yesterday for instance the organisers waited for the lunch time traffic to clear before closing the roads and then you are not happy with the run over that happens if you do this, so what do you want? Lunch time blocked in which case you would get people moaning and if you delayed later you get the moaners about the journey home, as for rush hour, you have got to be kidding there is no such thing in the Isle of Man, 10 cars in a row does not constitute a rush hour you should live in London and then you would know what a rush hour was actually was like. As for the people who live south of the Island there are many ways to get there…. Via the back road that comes out at the Black Boards, the normal route via Richmond and then there is even via the back roads that come out at ballasalla. You could even go through foxdale if you are in Port Erin and Port St Mary, all of these would take less than an hour. Maybe your hubbies and wives took the easier option of staying on in a pub until the roads cleared a bit… all sensible options….. you could have even left early and used one of the crossing points on the course, but then again you would never think of any of these would you?

DAVE

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 12:57: I agree that the road closures yesterday evening were not very well thought out and caused an immense amount of chaos to the roads of Douglas during peak commuting times however, I think that if drivers were a little more courteous to other drivers then everyone might have gotten home a little quicker. It took me over 40 minutes to move from my parking space near ATS garage to the roundabout at Tesco (normally a 30 second journey) just because some drivers were being completely selfish by blocking up roundabouts and give-ways. Then on the normally short journey to my home near Governors Hill (which took nearly an hour last night) I was very nearly hit by other vehicles on 3 separate occasions because of drivers pulling out at speed in front of me to join streams of traffic and pushing and shoving their way into queues. It was complete madness and I am surprised there weren't some serious accidents!!

NB

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 12:54: Living inside and working outside the course has the potential to be a pain, thankfully I bought a cycle so I can pass the queues of red faced impatient motorists, take a minor diversion that enables me to carry the bike over one of the footbridges then carry on my merry way. Being a smoker I can not claim to be a fitness fanatic, but the 20 minutes that I normally take to reach home every other day only increases by 10 minutes when the roads are closed. If I lived in Castletown or near one of the other towns near a railway station I'd be writing to Tourism and Leisure to demand a train service, but then I'd have the sense to use it.

MARK ATHERTON, Douglas

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 12:36: wow what horrible windging lot we have become! I wonder if anyone considers the ammount of money these loyal people pay to come to this rainy, expensive place to support the other loyal guys who compete in this world famous MANX road race( note the word Manx) . Its 2 weeks out of your year with only a few days disrupted. For some of these people its a year of saving, planning and getting here from all over the world. For the competitors its the highlite of a years planning and investment. For me its a time to be proud to live here (I am Not Manx) Its a time of meeting with old friends making new friends and remembering friends we have lost. I came to the Island because of the brilliant people & the fantastic attitude they have to life. If the attitudes have changed so much, to coin an old Manx phrase "theres a Boat in the morning" With this attitude you would feel more at home there.

JULIE P

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 12:33: I have to agree that last night's road closure at "rush hour" caused absolute, and frankly unacceptable, havoc on the roads. To inflict gridlock on thousands for the benefit of what seemed only a few people seems totally mindless and very poorly planned. After spending a hour in the traffic and only moving a couple of hundred metres, I decided to abandon the car and walk up to Bray Hill and over the bridge. When I got there, there were approximately 15 people watching the race! So really what is the point? No one's interested from what I can see, let's get rid of it!

FURIOUS D

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 12:22: Does the MGP make SERIOUS plans to run the races on the reserved days (Tues & Thurs)? Or is it that a fact that a lot of local Marshalls have only booked race days off work & therefore the races could not possibly be postponed to a spare day? Having road closures at & around peak traffic times is ludicrous & shows absolutely no thought for other road users. I am a massive fan of motorcycling but fail to see how delaying people travelling home from work by over an hour is ever going to do the sport any favours. My wife travelled from Ballasalla to Glen Vine last night (normally a 20 min max journey) in 1 hr 40 mins. Whilst she was stuck in traffic she saw 2 ambulances struggle through the queues – how would the clerk of the course (for eg) feel if that was a member of his family trying to get to hospital in an emergency? I am sure Mr Taubman thinks he made the correct decision to run that late in the day but his decision would be purely based on rider safety & not on Joe Public – although I am also sure that not having the full quota of Marshalls to postpone by a day would have played a major part in his decision… Come on boys lets not see the MGP killed off for the wrong reasons….

ANDY

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 12:03: I was completely appalled by last night's organisation of the MGP. I work in Castletown and left work at 4:45 pm finally getting home at 7.30pm!!! Douglas was chaos. I spoke to the police about the traffic situation but apparently ''it is not there job to direct traffic". I saw one police car driving round but what they were actually achieving is beyond me – not that I am having a go at the police as it was not solely their fault. I just wonder how the traffic will be affected when the scheduled work at Quarterbridge, Richmound Hill and Tesco commences!.... I understand that the weather has not been the best and the races need to occur but it should be have been organised at a time other than rush hour!

TA

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 11:46: People here are lucky that they only get inconvenienced by traffic twice a year, which seems a small price to pay to maintain the racing. I'm a resident; I was late home – so what, the average time for commuters nowadays is 2 hours, I don't think anybody here has to do that.

JEN

Editor's note: Can we get this thread back on track now please?

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 10:58: whilst agreeing with the comments made it annoys me that people like Eddie have to call the people on bikes "idiots" . surely it does your argument no good,personally i think you are an idiot,but hey ho each to their own eh?

ANON

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 10:03: I totally agree with these comments. The organisers have no thought what so ever for the normal person who has to get home from work! Why should we have to suffer just because some idiots want to race round our roads. Either sort out a dedicated circuit and keep these bikes off our roads or scrap the MGP totally. You've had your 2 weeks of torturing us locals in June so why inflict another 2 weeks on us. From what I've seen there aren't many people over for it anywhere so it can't be bringing in much revenue. Get rid of it. It's all a damn nuisance. And before anyone starts…………… yes I am MANX and everyone I have spoken to agrees with me.

EDDIE

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 09:59: Yes it was out of order closing the roads at such a time when all people wnat to do it get home after a long day at work. My husband who wroks in Castletown at the moment leaves here at 4.30am (north) and leaves work at 5pm. There was no possible way he could have known about the delay of the races and the afternoon "slot" allocated for the Isle of man workers to get home and even if he had do they think that everyone can drop tools to fit in around MGP? My husband due to delays etc and the appauling traffic congestion didn't get home until 7.20pm! Thats one long day. If the race can't goo ahead on time, Tough! They'll have to wait til the evening in my opinion. Half of the visitors look bored when you see them wondering aimlessly round between races. Is it really worth having the MGP??? Just another shining example of how IOM residents come second place.

FEEBEE

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 08:59: Well, it goes without saying that the organisation (I say that in the lightest sense possible) of last nights MGP was a complete failure. Who was the bright minded little worm who decided to close the roads during rush hour? Clearly they didn't need to get out of Douglas after work! What a mess! I didn't see any police anywhere… were they all out enjoying the races? Surely the residents should be priority, not the races. And before all of the enthusiasts start stating that the MGP is the lifeblood of the Island, it is falling on deaf ears. They could have had the road open between 5 and 6.30 not mid afternoon. The races are more flexible than office hours, they should have been postponed if they couldn't fit them in around residents. Shows where the locals stand in the grand scheme of things! Pathetic.

PETER STOFF, resident

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 08:34: Hi All, The distruption caused by the road closures for MGP is crazy. I work at the hospital and live in KM the racing turned my day from 8 hours to over 12 hours and many other people where stuck in trafic. When will the government stop this outdate and outmoded so call sporting event and think about the ordanry manx man! Don't get me wrong I have nothing against the bikes but a dedicated circut should be built for the racing. so as to stop the island grinding to a halt.

NW

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 16:56: First it's off then it's back on again! What a bunch of amateurs these so called race organisers are. Now there is talk of all of the local football fixtures being changed to an evening kick off or being postponed tomorrow! Who knows what will happen with the other local sports? There were 26 local football matches scheduled to be played tomorrow which involve manx residents. Then you have the people who plan their weekend around watching local football and their plans will now nodoubt have to be scrapped (I would guess around 1200 manx residents, players and spectators). What other things could someone already have organised for tomorrow, a wedding, a kids party? Just 2 quick examples so i don't get moaned at fo being biased towards manx football! What is the point of all this hassle, just so a bunch of geriatrics can potter about on their clapped out old bangers! Whoop-dee-doo! Let's say Wednesday night was a one off and somebody made an error of judgement by running the race late (as if they gave it that much thought). Now the race organisers are going to inconvenience the manx residents tonight and probably tomorrow. The manx residents should be given priority when any decisions like what has happened this week have to be made. After all we are the bread and butter to the Isle of Man. I like many of you enjoy the island's atmosphere during TT week and we are and have been brought up with TT week. If there are delays then we accept them because there are tens of thousands of visitors here to watch and compete in the TT races. The Manx Grand Prix on the other hand doesn't bring in anywhere near the number of visitors so why do we have to put up with the inconvenience so such a small minority can be happy? In my opinion it is well past its sell by date and needs to be knocked on the head. It may well be part of our history but so did the 'Birch'!

Many people have voiced their concerns/opinions on this site over the last couple of days but will anyone take any notice of our views. I would put money on it that they don't!

NC

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 16:40: Who is in charge of this farce? Laurel and Hardy?? Now the races are back on with some tonight and some tomorrow! Only in the IOM could this happen – tip for the (all of 30 odd) racers when you leave the IOM (because none of them are manx) – don't come back next year, unless between you, you can all pay for the upkeep of the course and the inconvenience to all us IOM residents/tax payers who pay for the damn thing!

SB

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 16:38: I agree with you Stacey, the number of times traffic has ground to a halt at the Lord Street roundabout and the police do absolutely nothing to assist the flow of traffic. I would guess that traffic duties are well below what they should be doing. Strange how the anti-TT/MGP brigade are not worried about this hold up.

PEEJAY

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 16:23: Just a thought, presumably if I left my car on the course and delayed their fun for 5 minutes I'd be fined or charged with some motoring offence right? Of course I'd never do that out of consideration as I'd understand the race people want to have it according to the timetable and wouldn't want to muck people about. Pity they can't appreciate that the other way round.

GB

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 16:19: CHALLENGE provided good points. The trouble is that some people do not even try to consider getting around by public transport, to walk or to amend their daily routine. The TT and MGP only highlights bad habits and there is no particular reason to pick on these 2 events. Overuse of cars for moving around is the main problem. On the other side the Director of highways should know the potential hot spots causing congestion and to arrange for a police assistance at these places instead of relying on the traffic lights only, if they can become "overloaded" on critical days. I believe that some London traffic experience could be implemented here. The drivers in London can be as bad as here when using roundabouts and they block them from time to time. At the times of heavy congestion Police solve the problem by forcing drivers out of the roundabout in the free direction if they entered it and could not continue in the intended direction. Another solution used to reduce the number of cars on certain days is allowing odd or even registration numbers out only but that is too much indiscriminate with regards to those who really have to use the car.

JIRI

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 16:16: I think the fiasco on Wednesday was unavoidable to some extent if the Police bothered to direct the traffic. Surely this would have eased some of the congestion. The ironic thing is that some of the worst congestion is at the roundabout next to the police station, leading to the prom – were all of the police sat drinking coffee and watching the mayhem? Ridiculous !!

STACEY

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 16:10: Wednesdays road closures due to racing obviously caused a great deal of inconvienience to a high percentage of the Islands working population, but it is unfair to blame Mr Hannay for his decision to continue the racing despite the delays, and Island residents cannot seriously expect the Government to spend millions of pounds on a brand new road network just on the off chance that Douglas may become grid locked again. Drivers should consider changing the way they drive - as in actually look ahead and see if there is enogh space for them without blocking a junction. I travelled home from Douglas towards the South on Wednesday evening and admittedly faced no problems with the traffic hold ups, but whilst doing this it was clear that the traffic would flow even slightly better if drivers were considerate, took turns and did not block round abouts or junctions. Residents should consider their actions before automatically blaming others.

ASHLEIGH

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 16:05: Can I suggest that next year every driver that was delayed this year get onto the course just before road closing time and drive and organized go slow around it to hold up the racing and remind everyone who pays for the roads.

ANON

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 16:00: Maybe if I could of got onto the promanade to get to somewhere to eat I might of done so but considering I work near the old prison i couldnt plus as it was so unexpected as a lot of people would of found out after they started driving home and couldnt do much about being stuck in the mayhem. Committments meant I had to get home. Its about time the islanders didnt have to put up with this.We prepare ourselves for TT week and either leave work early, leave the Island or put up and shut up but with the Grand Prix I really do not think we should be subjected to this. Before I get accused of disliking bikes I love them and enjoy the TT but wednseday was unexpected and unexceptable.

SI

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 14:59: Yeah OK it was chaos. It was chaos because when the roads are closed, everyone wanting to get out of Douglas heading North is forced onto Broadway and the promenade which can't cope and those going South or West are sent through several sets of traffic lights at Pulrose which aren't set up to cope or onto a roundabout at the sea terminal which can't cope. Now that we've got over the why's, lets look at what can be done to improve things. The solutions to the problems faced on Wednesday and any other time this occurs are actually within the comments made by those people posting to this thread. People can do a lot to help themselves out of the crisis. Simple things like leaving work and going to get something to eat, as someone did, rather than jumping in your car and joining in the chaos. Thereby waiting for the traffic to ease in comfort rather than stressed out with road rage. Why not, as was suggested, go and watch some of the races if you can. You could enjoy it. Park your car at lunchtime where it's going to be easier to get away after work, even if that means a bit of a walk back to the office and to the car after work. Bet the walk is a lot quicker than the time spent sitting in traffic !!!! Car share, fewer cars = less traffic = shorter delays. But it's not only us that can do things, strangely enough the government can take action to help ease the pain of road closures : Increase the number of bypasses across the TT roads. For example one side of the new QB roundabout should be able to be used by motorists. Build the proposed bypass at the top of Victoria Road across summerhill glen to blackberry lane, this would ease the pressure on Broadway by giving motorists more choice. Use our police force or traffic wardens to control the flow of traffic at strategic points in and out of Douglas for example the sea terminal roundabouts. Open up the summerland site to allow free parking and free bus rides to/from town on race days. This would mean a majority of car drivers won't get stuck in and have to fight through the traffic to get across the prom. Do the same with the Bowl car park and possibly the NSC for people from the South and West. Put on free commuter trains, stop talking about it, do it. Make all public transport free from 7am - 9am and then 4:30 - 6:00 to encourage people to use it and not their car. This could be done all year round since we quite rightly provide free transport to our elderly and children, why not to our work force who actually contribute to the transport from their taxes in the first place. But I digress, this is for another thread. Yes some of these things have the word "free" with them, but what would be the cost to have free buses for workers or free trains or free parking ? And would the benefit out weigh the costs ..I think we're all agreed that they would. They could be used all year round. I'm sure there's plenty of other things to do that the avid readership can come up with rather than jumping in your car and adding to the congestion. Perhaps you could post an idea or two. But at the end of the day, the simple solution is always the best. The road closure orders for the TT and MGP should simply state that the main roads are open from 5:00p.m. - 6:00p.m weekdays. So who do we see about a consultation with Joe Public on this matter ? Any chance the newspapers could keep us informed of any changes or maybe go and ask the questions in a few months when the dust has settled ?

CHALLENGE

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 14:56: How can Bruce Hannay possibly say that the "road closures were unavoidable" – on what basis? The racing does not even have to happen at all. There is no law that states racing must proceed at all costs regardless of the consequences. Quite simply he was faced with a choice of allowing racing to go ahead for the small contingent of biker and spectators – the vast majority of which are not island residents – or to cater for the needs and best interests of hard working Manx residents, the basis of the island economy who were simply looking forward to getting back to their families to relax and eat. He chose the former which shows where his loyalties and interest lie. Are not these officials elected by Manx residents to look after the best interest of the island tax and rate payers? Of course he had a choice – postpone the racing to Thursday just as today's racing, despite the fact it is a fine day, has been deferred to Saturday without due regard for the freedom of families on one of their days off thereby compounding the nuisance of these races. Families will now be faced with arranging their leisure time on Saturday around these visiting bikers. On Wednesday I was also very disappointed with the police who, instead of directing traffic around Douglas to ensure a smoother flow, were actually positioned at several places along the coast road to Ramsey, no doubt with the intention of catching harassed residents who, having been stuck in Douglas for 2 hours, simply wanted to get home to their families as quickly as possible. In view of the fact that the TT and MGP contribute nothing to the economy, or indeed are actually a financial burden, represent a widespread nuisance for residents, and are also the direct cause of a huge loss of life and serious injuries that we tax payers have to pay for not withstanding the misery of bereaved relatives who have lost loved ones to this circus, should the government not now call time on these events which no longer seem relevant to the needs of either the island or its residents?

AC

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 14:47: Mr Hannay is talking absolute tripe...!!!!. Yes of course there are going to be complications because of road closures, but these complications can surely be managed better..???, for example, the horse drawn tram on the prom whilst the roads are closed, nonsense.!!!!, it is true that these races have been running for years and like most people on the Island I do NOT want them banned, but in the same tone, as they have been going on for years surely the traffic problem can be "managed" better, surely a study has been made by Mr Hannay at ways of easing the problem..??. What annoys most people is the total lack of any measures being implemented or even suggested, that's where he is failing.

RACE FAN

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 14:47: Surely these so called "MGP organisers" cannot go back on the decision they made this morning albeit a misinformed decision!!! Can't accurate information regarding weather be obtained?? PLEASE sort this out for next year as I hate to read all the bad press being generated concerning road racing on the island. It's part of our history and it's what makes us unique….

NP proud Manxman

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 14:45: I notice that the organisers refer to the inconvenience caused to "motorists"....well "motorists" are people trying to go about their daily lives, get home, pick up the kids, go about their business....we are not "motorists" we are people having our freedom of movement severely compromised by these so called races which appear to have very little to offer the Island. Very few people watch them and they are an enormous drain on our economy, so why should thousands be inconvenienced in order to allow a handful of enthusiasts to pursue their hobby?? I realise that it is a qualifying round for the TT itself, but why can't it be tagged on to the end of TT to minimize disruption or at least be reduced to 1 week of closures rather than 2...somebody in the know please tell us!!?? If we MUST have it, then I believe that some courtesy should be extended to the island's residents in keeping to the timetable - if the weather is bad, the race should be canceled - fullstop...messing people around by postponing leaves us unable to make any plans. As a person living on the course it is a nightmare to go to work and not know whether you will be able to get home that evening. Friday's racing has been postponed til Saturday - well that's great!!! We actually had some important things to do tomorrow - now inaccessible and therefore will need to cancel . Business is severely compromised by the disruption to the roads - anybody who has a delivery element to their business must be at their wits end!! And what about those with children that they can't get home to?? It's outrageous when you think about it..... You can't prevent people from going home without at least 24 hours warning so that childcare arrangements can be made. Why should we have to drive the "long way home"??? Who is going to reimburse the extra petrol costs that we all incur? We can put up with it for TT....but MGP???.....please give us a break!

TJ

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 14:38: I agree that only a few profit from the TT/MGP - and it's not the IOM tax payer – the pubs, hotels etc should maybe pay a premium in order to facilitate their cash cow! I'm sick of it – many manx football matches were cancelled on Wednesday night and if the races go ahead on Saturday how many (manx) people will be inconvenienced again?? There's 40ish football teams on the IOM, never mind rugby, hockey, etc. Now your average IOM resident will spend about 2 hours of their weekend stationary in a car while a group of people, not from the IOM, ride their motorbikes around our roads – closed for their convenience. Take your bikes to some other silly country that'll subsidise it to keep a minority of locals (living in the past) happy.

SB

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 14:18: As a lifelong supporter of the IOM TT I find myself agreeing with the so called whinges on the issue of disruptive road closures for insignificant, non-commercial events such as the MGP has become. I also agree that common sense disappears when you place a plastic jacket and an armband on some people. I personally experienced this on Wednesday at the bottom of Cronkbourne Road when arriving just prior to the advertised roads crossing points being closed at 16-40 (although a further delay then caused them not to close until later). Although the course had a barrier across it within 2 yards of pavement walking from where I stood I was not allowed to duck under the barrier and cross to Tromode Road but had to go back up the road and down Thorny Road to use the crossing. As this was not possible before the supposed closing time I in fact had to walk via St Ninians. With no bikes operating and a barrier across the road what was the problem apart from bloody mindedness? The Marshall took pleasure in telling me that a bloke who lived in the first house in Quarterbridge Road had already been refused permission to cross so I had no chance.

DOUGIE

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 14:15: Firstly may I say I am a big supporter of the TT and the Manx Grand Prix. And to me the answer is simple I only saw one traffic policeman at the bottom of summer hill. Now surely the authoritys knew in advance of the delay. Why don't they put a policeman directing the traffic at the roundabout outside Lord street police station and one at the bottom of Broadway and one at the turn off to church street from what I saw coming from Onchan this was where the problem areas were located.

TIM

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 14:13: Now they say they may race tonight!! For gods sake make your minds up. Most people (myself included) couldn't give a damn about the MGP so stop messing us around. If they race tonight I hope they don't even think about trying to sneak a race in tomorrow. That would add insult to injury. The MGP should be scrapped as it's only held for the minority. You idiots have had your chance to race round our roads in June so next year stay away and lets make sure the MGP dies a death. I would dance on it's grave! As I am sure thousands of other inconvenienced islanders would.

MANX ISLANDER

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 14:11: Ok all you moaning minnies out there, calm down. TT has been a part of the IOM for over 100 years and if its not something you enjoy then its tough really!! The TT brings a lot of tourism to the island. What if the fair didn't come or the prom didn't have the entertainment you'd moan then too. They both bring life to the island and some of us actually enjoy the bikes being here. I am a marshal and will continue to do so for many years. I couldn't get the time off work to help out but I will be there tomorrow if they go ahead and for one I am pleased. It means I get to see some of the races. The roads did not have to open on Wednesday night at all, why complain at all when you knew that the races had gone ahead. If you want to moan at someone moan at Manx radio for getting it wrong, they never get it right…….

JM

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 14:08: Although I'm not a motorcycle fan, I don't think the TT or MGP should be banned. I'm not Manx but have been lucky enough to live on this fantastic island for over 20 years now. I accept that the races were here long before I was, and I honestly don't mind a bit of inconvenience but Wednesday did seem to be worse than usual (although I'm told by other locals that it wasn't) I had gone into work early so I could finish early at 15.45 (I'm fortunate that I can do that) but it still took me well over an hour to get from Ballasalla to Laxey, and from what I've heard that I was lucky. I totally agree with a few of the comments below, that say about car drivers blocking up roundabouts and junctions; this only adds to the delays. I also agree that the police should be doing more. If there were a couple of traffic cops at key points (Sea Terminal roundabout, bottom of Broadway etc) stopping people 'blocking' the way I believe it would help. Isn't that more important than being out with a speed-camera? And although it's not much consolation, it's far nicer to be in slow moving traffic on the IOM, where a nice view is never far away, than being in one in the middle of a city. Many thanks.

JB.

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 14:06: As an avid TT /MGP fan, local resident who lives within the circuit and Douglas office worker, I believe my views are valid and should be taken into account by our politicians. I was appalled by the state of Douglas roads on Wednesday evening- what a sad state of affairs that the MGP organisers & police didn`t accept that their decision to keep the roads closed through rush hour would cause chaos –for heavens sake, its not the first time that this has happened and would have thought that previous lessons would have been learned….where were the police directing traffic as God knows what else they were up to during this calamity? I believe that they hold the responsibility for this debacle and think its about time they took responsibilty for their actions ( or non action). I totally understand that the MGP organisers have their own responsibilities for competitors and marshalls alike but at the end of the day I know that the police have a massive say in any final decision. This debate has already mentioned that one hours road opening at the passing points (as they did on Bank Holiday Monday ) would have helped enormously so why was this overlooked? surely our authorities aren`t that ignorent or uncaring? At the end of the day, if our residents are put at risk because the emergency services can`t provide an efficent service, our business travellers miss their planes and locals can`t even get home for dinner I would say for a small Isand like ours it's a serious matter to be investigated and not swept under the carpet like so many other issues here. God knows what the repurcussions will be and I totally understand the anger that the non biking and business public felt on that evening and no doubt (if it goes ahead) even more inconvenience will be felt by the locals on Saturday. As we all know , the MGP is a valuable feeder for the TT and if it is put at threat by stupid decisions by the authorities, it may endanger the future of the TT which in turn will seriously hit our economy. I suggest a serious debate should be put on the agenda for the next Tynwald sitting and let the MHKs have their say.

PETER

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 13:35: Just a few points. The TT and MGP do NOT make money for the Island (audit by Deloitte & Touch 2000). The TT breaks even, the MGP looses millions. SOME people make a fortune from the TT but only because the Tax payer subsidises it. Secondly: Several people have mentioned that it is possible to plan as you know when the roads are closing etc. Yes, but I don't know when my wife is going to go into Labour so please forgive my lack of organisational skills. I happened to be taking my little boy home from visiting in hospital. He was hungry, tired, hot and irritable. It might have been "only" two hours but try explaining that to a small child! Thirdly; The comment that it was unavoidable is just an insult! EVERYONE assumed they would open the roads until six and then run the 2nd race at six thirty. The MGP organisers were the only people on the Island not to think of this solution and for one simple reason. THEY aren't inconvenienced by their decisions. This was entirely avoidable. I've never been a fan of the TT and MGP. I think there are a huge inconvenience and a waste of time and money. I've always accepted I am in the minority. Wednesday, for the MGP, appears to have changed this. All around Douglas on Thursday people were ranting about the MGP and what a waste of time it is. MGP organisers beware. Your stupidity and insensitivity has turned the tide!

JB, Kirk Michael

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 13:30: Anybody considered the disruption to the Isle of Man sporting calendar tomorrow? No. didn't think so. Certainly the football at St George's will be called off if the racing goes ahead and there will be a lot of other postponements as well. Thanks very much MGP

RB

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 12:59: No problem with the road closures and I think it was a credit to the motorists that not a horn was sounded in anger or impatience. Did feel sorry for a fire engine trying to get down Lord Street at one point. That said I've often wondered why the Steam Packet bring in a boat at a time when the roads are packed with people making their way home, this does seem to congest things even more. Also fair play to the opportunist man who left his car at one point in Market St to nip into M&S to do some shopping.

GRAHAM BRUNSTROM

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 12:54: Why are they not racing today?, the Web cam on the Bungalow shows it as being fine. Why did they make such a decisive decision about calling off the racing without giving it the the opportunity to improve, which it has done each day this week. Now we have the inconvenience of Racing on Saturday, if they can find Marshals, which if they can't will mean calling it off completely. I'm gobsmacked ????????

TONY

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 12:45: Enough is enough! I'm fed up paying for the racing. Not only are my taxes used to maintain the "track" at the expense of the rest of the roads but I (and very many others) get called whingers when we complain about the complete disrespect the organisers have for the other residents and businesses on the island. Everything has to come to a standstill when the racing is in town. I had business associates who couldn't get out of Douglas on Wednesday in time to catch their flight. These gentlemen contribute far more to the Isle of Man in terms of revenue than the MGP ever could and I was embarrassed not only that they missed their flight but by how the Isle of Man came across from an organisational aspect. People keep banging on about all the revenue that the racing brings to the island. Where is it? Most of us won't have seen a red cent of it. Perhaps the recipients of most of this revenue (pubs, hotels, etc) should contribute more to the upkeep of the "track" and all the other ancillary costs associated with the racing? As for the organisers - please learn some respect and professionalism. As for the Government - what a typical response from the usual bunch of amateurs.

ANNOYED BUSINESSMAN

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 12:11: I just read this thread, I am off the Island because I cant work when the roads are closed, I also have to take my holidays in TT fortnight for the same reason. I read one of the comments that said 'the roads are only closed 2 weeks of the year' How many MONTHS has the mountain road been closed this year as a result of preparations for the TT & MGP and the races? We need the TT, perhaps not the MGP, we do put up with a hell of a lot of inconvenience as a result of the events. Okay, these events bring in money to the Island, but they cost Joe public a fortune in inconvenience.

GARETH PINCKARD, Ramsey.

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 12:01: I accept the roads being closed for the TT, however I have no patience for an event such as the MGP that brings very little to the island apart from Chaos and disruption to residents. The road closures on Wednesday night during rush hour were not fair at all.

JC

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 12:00: In general, drivers on the Island need to know how to use roundabouts! f the lane that you are in has nowhere to go due to heavy traffic – be patient!, DON'T block the roundabout just because it 'may' be your right of way. It just makes matters worse. As for the MGP and road closures, the public just need to use a bit of common sense, listen to local road reports on the radio, and alter their plans slightly for the rare occasion that this happens. Whether you're a fan or not, the MGP is part of our heritage and we should support it!

JANE, Douglas

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 11:58: As ME says "time for a cost/benefit analysis" My view is go ahead and also do one (separately so they can't both water each other down) on the TT. Back in the TT's heyday in terms of number of visitors etc (late 60's early 70's) the powers that be started just such an exercise… it was never finished because it became clear that – with the exception of a small number of organisations (Steam Packet, Breweries etc) – the costs far outweighed the benefits gained to the people of the Island as a whole. These days, it stands to reason, that the costs would still not be covered. Go ahead and do the analysis (but FINISH IT and MAKE IT PUBLIC this time!!!) It will be a brave politician who stops this lunacy (and as we know you have more chance of finding a Dodo than a brave politician!)

ANON

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 11:57: Some of the traffic flow problems were avoidable! The horse trams were out on the prom; vehicles were doing their normal double parking. I understand that the swing bridge was opened during the peak flow of traffic and some of our police were out with speed cameras rather than assisting with the flow of Douglas traffic.

JOHN

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 11:50: Yes the weather caused the race delays, but who caused the traffic delays? The MGP Organisation! Simple solution was to let the Rush hour traffic clear and then close the roads again for racing.

ANGRY RESIDENT

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 11:42: I can accept the roads being closed for the TT, as this is a wonderful sporting event which brings lots of visitors, publicity, money and life to the island and I do not mind being put out at all. However the MGP does not being enough visitors over and I feel that it's unacceptable to put the majority of the manx public working in Douglas out for a small crowd of bikers. I appreciate it's a historic Manx event but the MGP Organisation really need to re-think their priorities, in my opinion.

MANX MAN

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 11:34: Does anyone look at all 'non-maintenance' Road Closure Applications with a critical eye, or does the DoT just 'Rubber stamp' them, grab the money and run? It is not just the TT/MGP, with their ability to extend the road closures into the rush-hours, but the likes of the rally organisers wanting to close Glencrutchery Road on a Saturday afternoon - all of which cause grid-lock in Douglas. What of the BBC being granted permission, on what is becoming a regular basis, to close the Mountain Road for filming for 'Top Gear'? Just because the laws permit the closure of public roads, on application and payment of a fee, does not mean that the facility should automatically be granted to all comers and to hell with the public! Publishing a notice in the papers does not make it all OK! One would hope that a 'negative-vetting' process is applied to all applications (including the 'sacred cows' - the TT and MGP)

IAN

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 11:27: MGP is a complete waste of time, all these (offensive word removed) that like racing on motorbikes around substandard country roads should be encouraged to risk their lives on a purpose built circuit. Before they start racing they should ensure they have the money to cover private medical costs as all these riders coming to Nobles for free treatment for self-inflicted injuries is a joke. The VOTE says it all, the majority (greater than 60%) don't want the MGP inconveniencing their lives, the government should wake up to reality and listen to the people. Now they are looking for mug marshals to stand on the course all day Saturday, who in the right mind could be bothered doing that for free with the possibility of ending up in court again (Ballacraine incident).

ANON

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 11:25: Has anyone thought as to why the roads were closed that late ? The Weather! Need I say more???

ANON

FRIDAY, AUGUST29, 2008 11:23: Quote from Article "'The organisers were complying with the terms of the road closure orders which has provisions for delaying the races. We would have hoped not to have these delays but safety is paramount.' As far as I am aware they are legally aloud to keep the roads closed until 8:30pm, if this is the case then why could they not have opened the roads for at least an hour, say 5pm until 6pm to let the rush hour traffic get out of Douglas. I don't see how they put the public's safety first with all the traffic chaos that went on. I enjoy the TT Fortnight and don't mind being put out with the roads being closed for the many visitors that come to our island to enjoy what I think is a brilliant event, however the MGP does not being over nearly enough vistiors and is in my opinion is an outdated sporting event with no atmosphere!

OFFICE WORKER, Douglas

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 11:08: MGP has been there a lot longer than the whingers I would hazard a geuss. If you don't like us bringing the revenue (all events) for many years then just (offensive word removed) off!

IJ

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 11:04: As stated by a number of people the roads were closed legally as per the roads acts however what we are mearly saying is the organisers could have used a little grey matter and allowed a breif roads open period around rush hour they could have then closed the roads again untill the 8:30 deadline. This has produced a large amount of bad publicity for MGP and TT and was totally avoidable. Perhaps its is time for a change to the act in that roads must be open for rush hour? Or our politians more afraid of the vocal minority of TT/MGP supporters. Please note I am not attacking the TT/MGP in them selves more the organisation.

NW

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 11:04: I'm a big fan of the TT, but surely it's time for a cost / benefit analysis of the MGP. Also, a bit more thought about road closure times wouldn't go amiss. Either make sure the roads are open by 5:30 no matter what, or make sure they're open between, say, 5pm and 6pm to allow the worst of the traffic to clear and then carry on racing afterwards. I don't think the majority of people mind being inconvenienced by the TT as it brings a number of benefits to the Island, but the MGP is a different story.

ME

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 10:58: I now see that racing today has been cancelled and they are going to disrupt people's weekend by closing the roads on Saturday. For gods sake lets put an end to this useless event. No-one's interested and it's just a nuisance to the Manx public. Hopefully they won't get enough marshals tomorrow and we can have our weekend in peace!

FED UP (MANX) ROAD USER!

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 10:49: The road closures for the Manx Grand Prix are a joke. There are hardly any spectators, interest is minimal and the disruption to those of us who live here is unacceptable. I believe it is a sacrifice worth making for the TT which attracts lots of visitors to the Island and media interest which helps promote the Isle of Man. Those who want to avoid the disruption can book holidays to coincide with TT. It is unreasonable to expect workers to book 4 weeks holiday just to avoid the disruption. Scrap the Manx Grand Prix, or combine it with the TT so the disruption is only 2 weeks of the year which we can all plan around.

ANON

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 10:35: Wednesday evening it took me two hours from Isle of Man Business Park to Onchan (it would have been longer except, realising the roads were starting to open, I cut up through Douglas rather than go via the Promenade). One hour and five minutes from Fort North roundabout to the White Hoe! For what? A few hundred enthusiasts? Utterly ridiculous that so many should be inconvenienced for the "benefit" of so few and that is not even taking into account the fact that I reckon it cost me an extra few pounds in fuel (unnecessarily). This Government bleats on about reducing carbon footprints and other "fashionable" environmental claptrap and then allows a couple of idiots to completely wipe the benefit off the face of the earth! In my opinion they should reduce the duty (locally) on fuel by 2p per litre for a week to enable those of us already stretched to the limit to replenish our tanks with the extra amount it cost us to get home that night! Before anybody starts – no I don't drive a gas-guzzler… it's a Ford Fiesta and – where practical – I was turning the ignition off. The only good thing to come out of this is that hopefully the ill-feeling caused by this may ensure that this race and "t'other one" in June will soon be given the chop and the roads of the Isle of Man be given back to the RESIDENTS of the Isle of Man (remember us? we're the ones who pay for them!)

ANON

FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008 09:00: I must say car sharing is not bad idea from dave and should be considered all year round. However this does not take away from the fact that the MGP organisers (oxymoron I know) should have had some forthought when closing the roads. Also the diverstions in douglas funnel all trafic down the same roads this should be looked at.

ANON

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 18:57: Hi Andy, then maybe you can get all your lot that use one person per car and get a lift with the bloke next door who you somehow pass every morning when turning into your parking space in Douglas. My point, which you obviously missed, was that if there are so many of you travelling south at the same time why not try using all that space you have for your sarnies in the morning and put someone who works in Douglas next to you. Maybe the problem is just highlighted by MGP and the TT, the problems are still there, all you lot travelling one person per car when you all live in the same area. Until then why not try what they do in 'Landan' and space your leaving out.

DAVE

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 18:01: I wondered how long it would take for the Whingers to crawl out from under theirs stones!!! It's only two weeks of the year, for christ sake and only six days out of those two weeks are race days. I also live in KM like NW and have a long day if there are any delays but I know exactly when the TT and MGP is on so I make provisions for those dates in case there are any delays. Why do people find it so hard to use a bit of common sense and make alternative arrangements in case there are

any delays instead of moaning all the time.

NON WHINGING MANX RESIDENT

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 17:27: Oh dear! I think a few people need to get a life. The road closure order has been passed and printed in newspapers etc for quite a while and clearly states that the roads may be kept closed until 8.30pm.

Not too sure that you can complain after the act, everyone had been informed ( if they cared to look) but obviously did not bother. As for `grinding to a halt` hardly I think. Just remember there was also other problems in Douglas yesterday that may have held up the traffic too. Oh yes what happens when we get a springling of snow?? the whole island is in gridlock, so quite moaning about the TT and Manx GP its surely not that bad.

KG

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 16:32: To all you guys who have entirley missed the point. Not many of us (whingers) are complaining about the traffic queues or the disruption caused. The real point is the fact that all of the unplanned disruption was easily avoidable if the organisers had considered the bigger picture. Comparing us to London is ridiculous - we set off to work & go home again without expecting to be faced with traffic of that scale - without the opportunity to plan any alternative. I would also like to know how "DAVE" thinks we were expected to use the Old Castletown road, the St Marks road or the Ballamodda straight - when leaving Douglas was the problem - maybe helicopter??

ANDY

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 16:12: I personally wasn`t too troubled with the road closures on Wednesday night, as I ride my motorbike to work each day and was able to ride down the out side of the waiting traffic (probably much to annoyance of car drivers). But maybe if some drivers weren`t so impatient and stopped blocking off roundabout & junctions that would be some of the holdups.

As for the people want to know where the police were, they were sneakily sitting at various places on the Laxey coast road with their radar guns hoping to catch someone. People may complain that the roads were closed so late in the evening, but the road closure times are printed in all the local papers weeks before the racing actually starts, you can say that you didn`t know. There is one thing that might solve some of the congestion in Douglas, why don`t some of the islands businesses re-locate of out the centre of Douglas or out of Douglas all together. As when you look at it how many companies are based round Circular Road, Athol Street, Prospect Hill, there must be a huge number of people who work in that area and all finish around the same time at night. Why don`t the Govt take the lead and locate their office outside Douglas, (that's halved the number already.) Also the road layout in Douglas could do with having a serious sorting out, maybe the govt could try to build a road from Victoria Road out to Onchan so that when the roads are closed they don`t have to use the already promenade. One last thing, have the Corpie ever considered shutting down 2 of the sets of pedestrian crossing on the prom for race days, as I don`t think that extra few yards isn`t that much of a struggle. I`m sure that would also help to relive some of the hold ups, as once you get past the gaiety the traffic seems to flow a lot better on the prom.

ANON

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 15:58: Who cares about Traffic in London? People of London know how long their Journey to and from work will be, may it be 3 hours at least they know it will be this length of time. I am sure there would be an up roar if they closed roads at rush hour in London, without enough prior warning. The MGP Officials made a mistake in what they did last night. They did not consider the needs of the public at all.

CRAIG M

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 15:34: S/PE, while your idea is a nice one, a lot of people were not in this situation, working at noble's hospital, I was unable to leave work at all for 2 hours due to the roads being so busy. While I fully support the TT / MGP, I feel that they made a mistake last night by completely ignoring the needs of the general public. A journey home that normally takes half an hour took 3 hours last night; this didn't have to happen, if only they considered the needs of working Manx public and opened the roads for rush hour (perhaps - 5pm-6pm) instead of putting the tourists / races before us. They could of then commenced the racing once they had given people the chance to get home from a long day at work.

JC

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 15:05: Lets get this into perspective residents. Having worked in London for a number of years and queued to / from work EVERY day of the year, I think it's a little bit of an over reaction to cause hype over a total of 4 weeks minor disruption on the island. The isle of man is very lucky not to have the same scale of traffic problems that many other countries , especially the UK have to endure. I think it's a little selfish to moan about what I feel is minor disruption for a short period of time in order to support an important part of manx heritage. The problem is, some people want everything their way. You cant have such a great event which generates tourism, income etc etc without a little bit of disruption. Remember, its only 4 weeks out of the year. Spare a thought for the residents who have to endure bad traffic every single day of their working lives. We really are lucky people over here so enjoy the races – don't hate them.

STEPHEN

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 14:45: I foolishly went to Tesco at 5pm! We soon realised the traffic was so bad we wouldn't even be able to get out of the parking space. We simply loaded tp the bus and rocked down the road to Coasters where we had a very enjoyable meal. Upon paying we noticed that one of the cars stuck outside Coasters was one that had been in the queue of traffic waiting at Tesco. Take a leaf out of our book and go with the flow.

S/PE

THURSDAY,AUGUST 28, 2008 14:31: I live on a closed development just off the TT course with no way out by vehicle once the roads are closed. I for one am extremely weary of either not being able to leave or return to my home, often leaving us stranded, whenever the organisers arbitrarily decide to change the road closure schedules at the last minute. This has happened to me countless times over the 17 years I have lived in this location, and not just for the TT or MGP either – often for other very poorly supported road racing sports. Numerous times in the past I have been stranded for up to 4 hours for push bike or classic car racing for example as well as the car rallies. I have nothing at all against these sports per se – on the contrary – but the needs of the rate paying residents should always come first. It often seems that the government is happy to sanction road closures for any road sport that fancies racing here. One of my biggest issues is that often the roads are closed all day, even when there is no racing taking place for some reason. The marshal's are often extremely unsympathetic or even hostile when asked if we can leave our road during a lull in racing. The TT I can tolerate because it does bring the island much recognition, visitors and of course money, and it is quite a spectacle even for non-bikers. I draw the line however at the MGP where relatively few visitors arrive, and all other lesser supported road sports that contribute little or nothing to the island. As has been suggested – why not build a purpose built racing facility at Jurby airfield for example? I realise the attraction is racing on the roads, but it is the Manx resident that pays to maintain and use those roads. Wednesday afternoon and evening was a total disgrace. I needed to get to Onchan for 17:00 - Onchan is a mile up the road. I set off at 16:00 after allowing plenty of time and parking my car some distance away so I could get the access road, and eventually arrived in Onchan at 17: 30 – 90 minutes later after long traffic jams to the access road and the entire length of the promenade. I hope that the needs of the rate paying residents will be recognised and respected in future years. For a start there could be scheduled road openings in between individual races for say 30 minutes to relieve traffic congestion and allow residents to actually get home. I also hope that the roads are never closed again during peak traffic times for any reason – even if it means disappointing a few spectators. As an aside – I am absolutely dismayed by the carnage associated with the island every year as a result of so many deaths and serious injuries during the TT and MGP. It reminds me of the Roman times when people were thrown to the Lions for the benefit of the bloodthirsty crowds. In the USA the Indy 500 has that same reputation yet is tame and much safer than bike road racing here. And as we have seen so often it is often the innocent onlookers that end up the victims. If the TT and MGP is about bringing money to the Isle of Man – what price would the organisers place on a human life - or half a dozen human lives? Aside from the distress of the relatives who have suffered the loss or serious injury of a loved one, how much is it costing the rate payer each year for the hospitalisation, medical attention and rehabilitation of bikers who have killed or injured themselves and others in their own interests of speed at all costs? Yours faithfully,

AC.

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 14:17: Maybe P should work harder then they might be able to leave earlier or did they? kidding, only of course if his work allows… just try to work around things and not drive straight through them because they do not conform to your high standards. This is a joke by the way, I can understand that people take holidays for the bikes but are they not allowed to take the holidays they are entitled too? I am sure P takes theirs when ever they wish….

DAVE

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 14:03: Hi Feebee, what about the residents that support the races and don't mind this? Are you not ignoring what they like or want to watch? If you look at it there is no disruption for two weeks. You have practice at night after 6 o'clock so plenty of time to pick up your little un's and get home, so that's a week out. Then there is race days …. Three of them so if you look at it there is only really disruption for three days, that's if the weather is against the organisers, so is that really too much to ask out of all the days in the year? The vast majority of people I know get involved. They never used to, but they went once and loved it. It has got to be hard for the organisers to make sure that there was minimal disruption. They could have closed the roads at the normal time in the morning and only had one race, which meant that they would have to run one today, so that's two days disruption instead of one. I know where you are coming from about the kids needing picked up but what time would that be? 5? 4.30? the roads could have been closed today all the way up to 6 o'clock. So really the organisers have saved disruption to one day. I hope you can understand where I am coming from….

DAVE

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 13:52: I sympathise with those residents who experienced problems travelling home from work due to the races being delayed.I think; and it is only my humble opinion; that there is an underlying problem that may be a common factor with a number of gripes that appear in your column. There appears to be a noticeable lack of involvement, planning and communication by the Manx authorities. Over here on the bigger island whenever an event which attracts large numbers of the public is arranged; be it racing; gardening shows or country fairs; the local authorities, highways agencies, police and motoring organisations all get involved and clear signage together with good old-fashioned police on point duty is provided for those wishing/needing to avoid being stuck in a traffic jam. I was not able to come over for the MGP (thanks go to Manx Radio for the coverage) but have experienced the hold-ups in Douglas at the end of race-days. So; please address your complaints to ALL the agencies who should be involved; after all you are paying for their services.

MARTIN

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 13:40: Dave seems to have totally missed the boat on this one. We don't live in London we live here so you can't compare. To blame 'The big man' is not right either yes the weather has not been on the MGP's side but its overall the organisers fault. Ok so they opened crossing points at about 4pm but closed them before 5 would it not have been better to have these at say 5 to 6/6.30 to allow trafic to clear as normal? Not all of us can leave work early especilly when some of our collegues take time off to marshal or timekeep.

P

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 13:28: It appears that the normal rules don't apply as far as motor cycle racing around the TT course is concerned. Ordinary people trying to earn a living or getting to and from work can be inconvenienced without recourse. Health and Safety rules which insist on courses on how to climb step ladders safely appear to allow men in their 60's to race high powered motor cycles feet away from houses and gardens. But no matter how many people are killed, seriously injured or inconvenienced, the TT and MGP roadshow will carry on regardless.

GEOFF, Douglas

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 13:16: Julie P, I think you miss the point to an extent. It was the inconsiderate decision to close the roads at a time when workers of the Isle of man that put money into the Island ALL YEAR ROUND are inconvenienced to the extent of last night. I am sure that the roads could have been closed later and those that really do enjoy the races, take part, marshall,and want to encourage others in the race will not mind at all. After all, they may have saved all year and travelled many miles, whats another few hours? was there any thought given to those that need to pick children up from nurseries, minders? Parents that need to get home to let the other parent go to work?? I think if it is weighed up, it is clear to see that the road closure was a wrong decision when it came to the residents, the ones that as I said earlier support the Island all year. From the amount of people here, I doubt much money will have been bought into the Island. No one asks to stop the bikers fun, well I certainly don't. All residents request is a little consideration. Too much to ask? Oh and Ho Hum, the ole boat line thrown in....yawn yawn.... old ones are the best ey....yawn.

FEEBEE

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 13:05: Dry your eyes you lot… for crying out loud all you have to do is take an alternative route, think ahead and plan a little better and you will be fine. The races were reduced so it didn't interrupt too much and I am sure if the organisers could have had great weather you wouldn't have this problem, unfortunately the lines were down to the big fella who organises the weather. Why not instead of moaning about it get out there for a look, put your chicken nuggets on hold and watch the bikes for a bit. God forbid you may even enjoy it. You all know the races are on so should be prepared and sorry they obviously don't run the all of the Island for those few that moan, as there will always be a few people you can never keep happy. Yesterday for instance the organisers waited for the lunch time traffic to clear before closing the roads and then you are not happy with the run over that happens if you do this, so what do you want? Lunch time blocked in which case you would get people moaning and if you delayed later you get the moaners about the journey home, as for rush hour, you have got to be kidding there is no such thing in the Isle of Man, 10 cars in a row does not constitute a rush hour you should live in London and then you would know what a rush hour was actually was like. As for the people who live south of the Island there are many ways to get there…. Via the back road that comes out at the Black Boards, the normal route via Richmond and then there is even via the back roads that come out at ballasalla. You could even go through foxdale if you are in Port Erin and Port St Mary, all of these would take less than an hour. Maybe your hubbies and wives took the easier option of staying on in a pub until the roads cleared a bit… all sensible options….. you could have even left early and used one of the crossing points on the course, but then again you would never think of any of these would you?

DAVE

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 12:57: I agree that the road closures yesterday evening were not very well thought out and caused an immense amount of chaos to the roads of Douglas during peak commuting times however, I think that if drivers were a little more courteous to other drivers then everyone might have gotten home a little quicker. It took me over 40 minutes to move from my parking space near ATS garage to the roundabout at Tesco (normally a 30 second journey) just because some drivers were being completely selfish by blocking up roundabouts and give-ways. Then on the normally short journey to my home near Governors Hill (which took nearly an hour last night) I was very nearly hit by other vehicles on 3 separate occasions because of drivers pulling out at speed in front of me to join streams of traffic and pushing and shoving their way into queues. It was complete madness and I am surprised there weren't some serious accidents!!

NB

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 12:54: Living inside and working outside the course has the potential to be a pain, thankfully I bought a cycle so I can pass the queues of red faced impatient motorists, take a minor diversion that enables me to carry the bike over one of the footbridges then carry on my merry way. Being a smoker I can not claim to be a fitness fanatic, but the 20 minutes that I normally take to reach home every other day only increases by 10 minutes when the roads are closed. If I lived in Castletown or near one of the other towns near a railway station I'd be writing to Tourism and Leisure to demand a train service, but then I'd have the sense to use it.

MARK ATHERTON, Douglas

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 12:36: wow what horrible windging lot we have become! I wonder if anyone considers the ammount of money these loyal people pay to come to this rainy, expensive place to support the other loyal guys who compete in this world famous MANX road race( note the word Manx) . Its 2 weeks out of your year with only a few days disrupted. For some of these people its a year of saving, planning and getting here from all over the world. For the competitors its the highlite of a years planning and investment. For me its a time to be proud to live here (I am Not Manx) Its a time of meeting with old friends making new friends and remembering friends we have lost. I came to the Island because of the brilliant people & the fantastic attitude they have to life. If the attitudes have changed so much, to coin an old Manx phrase "theres a Boat in the morning" With this attitude you would feel more at home there.

JULIE P

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 12:33: I have to agree that last night's road closure at "rush hour" caused absolute, and frankly unacceptable, havoc on the roads. To inflict gridlock on thousands for the benefit of what seemed only a few people seems totally mindless and very poorly planned. After spending a hour in the traffic and only moving a couple of hundred metres, I decided to abandon the car and walk up to Bray Hill and over the bridge. When I got there, there were approximately 15 people watching the race! So really what is the point? No one's interested from what I can see, let's get rid of it!

FURIOUS D

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 12:22: Does the MGP make SERIOUS plans to run the races on the reserved days (Tues & Thurs)? Or is it that a fact that a lot of local Marshalls have only booked race days off work & therefore the races could not possibly be postponed to a spare day? Having road closures at & around peak traffic times is ludicrous & shows absolutely no thought for other road users. I am a massive fan of motorcycling but fail to see how delaying people travelling home from work by over an hour is ever going to do the sport any favours. My wife travelled from Ballasalla to Glen Vine last night (normally a 20 min max journey) in 1 hr 40 mins. Whilst she was stuck in traffic she saw 2 ambulances struggle through the queues – how would the clerk of the course (for eg) feel if that was a member of his family trying to get to hospital in an emergency? I am sure Mr Taubman thinks he made the correct decision to run that late in the day but his decision would be purely based on rider safety & not on Joe Public – although I am also sure that not having the full quota of Marshalls to postpone by a day would have played a major part in his decision… Come on boys lets not see the MGP killed off for the wrong reasons….

ANDY

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 12:03: I was completely appalled by last night's organisation of the MGP. I work in Castletown and left work at 4:45 pm finally getting home at 7.30pm!!! Douglas was chaos. I spoke to the police about the traffic situation but apparently ''it is not there job to direct traffic". I saw one police car driving round but what they were actually achieving is beyond me – not that I am having a go at the police as it was not solely their fault. I just wonder how the traffic will be affected when the scheduled work at Quarterbridge, Richmound Hill and Tesco commences!.... I understand that the weather has not been the best and the races need to occur but it should be have been organised at a time other than rush hour!

TA

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 11:46: People here are lucky that they only get inconvenienced by traffic twice a year, which seems a small price to pay to maintain the racing. I'm a resident; I was late home – so what, the average time for commuters nowadays is 2 hours, I don't think anybody here has to do that.

JEN

Editor's note: Can we get this thread back on track now please?

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 10:58: whilst agreeing with the comments made it annoys me that people like Eddie have to call the people on bikes "idiots" . surely it does your argument no good,personally i think you are an idiot,but hey ho each to their own eh?

ANON

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 10:03: I totally agree with these comments. The organisers have no thought what so ever for the normal person who has to get home from work! Why should we have to suffer just because some idiots want to race round our roads. Either sort out a dedicated circuit and keep these bikes off our roads or scrap the MGP totally. You've had your 2 weeks of torturing us locals in June so why inflict another 2 weeks on us. From what I've seen there aren't many people over for it anywhere so it can't be bringing in much revenue. Get rid of it. It's all a damn nuisance. And before anyone starts…………… yes I am MANX and everyone I have spoken to agrees with me.

EDDIE

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 09:59: Yes it was out of order closing the roads at such a time when all people wnat to do it get home after a long day at work. My husband who wroks in Castletown at the moment leaves here at 4.30am (north) and leaves work at 5pm. There was no possible way he could have known about the delay of the races and the afternoon "slot" allocated for the Isle of man workers to get home and even if he had do they think that everyone can drop tools to fit in around MGP? My husband due to delays etc and the appauling traffic congestion didn't get home until 7.20pm! Thats one long day. If the race can't goo ahead on time, Tough! They'll have to wait til the evening in my opinion. Half of the visitors look bored when you see them wondering aimlessly round between races. Is it really worth having the MGP??? Just another shining example of how IOM residents come second place.

FEEBEE

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 08:59: Well, it goes without saying that the organisation (I say that in the lightest sense possible) of last nights MGP was a complete failure. Who was the bright minded little worm who decided to close the roads during rush hour? Clearly they didn't need to get out of Douglas after work! What a mess! I didn't see any police anywhere… were they all out enjoying the races? Surely the residents should be priority, not the races. And before all of the enthusiasts start stating that the MGP is the lifeblood of the Island, it is falling on deaf ears. They could have had the road open between 5 and 6.30 not mid afternoon. The races are more flexible than office hours, they should have been postponed if they couldn't fit them in around residents. Shows where the locals stand in the grand scheme of things! Pathetic.

PETER STOFF, resident

THURSDAY, AUGUST 28, 2008 08:34: Hi All, The distruption caused by the road closures for MGP is crazy. I work at the hospital and live in KM the racing turned my day from 8 hours to over 12 hours and many other people where stuck in trafic. When will the government stop this outdate and outmoded so call sporting event and think about the ordanry manx man! Don't get me wrong I have nothing against the bikes but a dedicated circut should be built for the racing. so as to stop the island grinding to a halt.

NW

 
 
 

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